One Last Time, I promise- Wizard Hell Razor clips

braintheory said:
I’ve played his before a few times and for whatever reason it has a much faster volume taper than other wizards (including mine that is the same exact model KT150 Hell Razor). Not sure anyway if the settings in his pic are what was actually in the clip, but if the volume was what you see in the pic it would very loud. Mine would need to be set higher though like what you said
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Yeah it’s the exact settings I used
 
* velcro-fly * said:
One suggestion, these amps (all Wizards) need to breathe and at the level you have the lead master at you're choking it. You will find much better results if you turn that up to near noon or 1:00 oclock, then plug a jumper cable into the loop and use the loop return as the global master (Send at noon), even if to get it to low volume without crushing your neighbors
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Good suggestion re using the loop as a master. I have a Headfirst MCII build from the pre-Alta days. The amp has always sounded really good, but I saw a video from Jason yesterday in which he said always has the loop switched in. Switched in the loop and started using the loop control as a master today and the amp went from very good to great. Can’t believe it took me so long to do this - especially as that’s what I’ve always done on my Stiletto. Really lets you open the amp up without blowing your windows (and eardrums) out.
 
Yehuda said:
On my amp, the master has a crazy jump in volume- even 2 on the master is genuinely deafening- not sure why- my last wizard was different
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Which is exactly why you want to use the loop return as the global master. Barely cracked open, albeit loud. isn't letting the amp do its thing. It becomes an entirely different thing. The fizz disappears and the amp will breath
 
Jimty said:
Good suggestion re using the loop as a master. I have a Headfirst MCII build from the pre-Alta days. The amp has always sounded really good, but I saw a video from Jason yesterday in which he said always has the loop switched in. Switched in the loop and started using the loop control as a master today and the amp went from very good to great. Can’t believe it took me so long to do this - especially as that’s what I’ve always done on my Stiletto. Really lets you open the amp up without blowing your windows (and eardrums) out.
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I'm 200+ gigs into my MC25 and I won't / can't run it any other way than that
 
* velcro-fly * said:
Which is exactly why you want to use the loop return as the global master. Barely cracked open, albeit loud. isn't letting the amp do its thing. It becomes an entirely different thing. The fizz disappears and the amp will breath
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From playing that exact amp a few times it absolutely would be doing its thing at those levels (or less even) as well as mine would at 11 o clock or so. Some amps just have much faster volume tapers and this particular amp was a more extreme case. It seemed like one of those amps that just peaks earlier in its volume taper. I had a mark iii++ blue stripe coliseum that also peaked around 1.5/10, while side by side another mark iii++ blue stripe coli I also had sounded the same, but needed to be set way higher to volume match. I can promise you the way he had it set in his pics wouldn’t have any fizz from playing it myself. The fizz is from some part of the execution of the recording I think, part of why I don’t like reading too much into clips where there are all those extra variables. Yes at too low levels it will be fizzy, mine would be too at that volume setting, but not his
 
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Tonight’s setup....Loop return is running as global master, I would clear the club out with the channel volumes like they are here. Tried and true. I am hitting the front end slightly with a Wizard Leopard but’s clean boost only, gain is off

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* velcro-fly * said:
Which is exactly why you want to use the loop return as the global master. Barely cracked open, albeit loud. isn't letting the amp do its thing. It becomes an entirely different thing. The fizz disappears and the amp will breath
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Tried this today with my MCII. Cranked the master volume up to about 5 and used the loop as a global MV, and WOW, it's like as you say, it's breathing now. It's even more open and punchy with more clarity.
 
* velcro-fly * said:
One suggestion, these amps (all Wizards) need to breathe and at the level you have the lead master at you're choking it. You will find much better results if you turn that up to near noon or 1:00 oclock, then plug a jumper cable into the loop and use the loop return as the global master (Send at noon), even if to get it to low volume without crushing your neighbors
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Exactly how are you plugging the jumper into the loop? Into the send or return, or both?
 
alund said:
How does the Wizard compare to that JCM on the opposite side?
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Not really a fair fight. Easily has the grunt of the JCM and is better sounding all the way around. Mind boggling as we’re talking a 25 watt head vs a 100 watt head. The MC25 easily has the sonic footprint of the JCM. Right here is where the “yeah well the 100 watt head has way more bottom end than the 25 watt...” Ok, fair enough. It’s also where the bass player is saying “guys shut the fuck up with your bass response 😂” That Marshall sounds undeniably good though, you want a Marshall sound get a Marshall.
 
Ryan990 said:
Tried this today with my MCII. Cranked the master volume up to about 5 and used the loop as a global MV, and WOW, it's like as you say, it's breathing now. It's even more open and punchy with more clarity.
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Also amazing how killer the clean tones are with just the guitar volume rolled back when its setup like this. Besides my regular rock band gig I use this same setup in a funk / dance oriented gig weekly and all my spanky clean tones are found this way. Amp also responds far better to touch like this - crank it up with guitar volume wide open, touch it light and it’s crystal clear, then hit harder with a pick and it grinds.
 
* velcro-fly * said:
Not really a fair fight. Easily has the grunt of the JCM and is better sounding all the way around. Mind boggling as we’re talking a 25 watt head vs a 100 watt head. The MC25 easily has the sonic footprint of the JCM. Right here is where the “yeah well the 100 watt head has way more bottom end than the 25 watt...” Ok, fair enough. It’s also where the bass player is saying “guys shut the fuck up with your bass response 😂” That Marshall sounds undeniably good though, you want a Marshall sound get a Marshall.
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Better sounding is subjective. I really dislike where the mids sit on Wizards. Meanwhile Marshall is the golden standard for warm, pleasing mids and high-end cut. It’s a classic well-known sound. Wizards don’t sound like Marshalls.
 
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