Opinion: 2 1x12"s or 1 2x12"

jwdubois

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I'm thinking about getting another speaker cab for my Rebel. I'm looking for a more open, "airy" sound with a bit less mid. Would I be better off adding another 1x12" Egnater cab to match the one I have now, or should I take a look at trading for something like the 2x12" Tourmaster cab? Would the ability to separate and angle the 1x12" cabs give me any advantages, or just cause nasty phasing?

Thanx
JWW
 
I should've fully read your post first.

With that rig, I'd say try a 2x12 or an OS 1x12 and see how you like them. Maybe some of
the guys with OS 1x12s will chime in.

If you're feeling strong, go for the 2x12.
 
jwdubois":3jy12zyo said:
I'm thinking about getting another speaker cab for my Rebel. I'm looking for a more open, "airy" sound with a bit less mid. Would I be better off adding another 1x12" Egnater cab to match the one I have now, or should I take a look at trading for something like the 2x12" Tourmaster cab? Would the ability to separate and angle the 1x12" cabs give me any advantages, or just cause nasty phasing?

Thanx
JWW

i'll trade ya my 1x12 OS for a 2x12 ;)

i love my OS, but the 2x12 would push more air..
 
Casey Hanson":3nmzzdbc said:
jwdubois":3nmzzdbc said:
I'm thinking about getting another speaker cab for my Rebel. I'm looking for a more open, "airy" sound with a bit less mid. Would I be better off adding another 1x12" Egnater cab to match the one I have now, or should I take a look at trading for something like the 2x12" Tourmaster cab? Would the ability to separate and angle the 1x12" cabs give me any advantages, or just cause nasty phasing?

Thanx
JWW

i'll trade ya my 1x12 OS for a 2x12 ;)

i love my OS, but the 2x12 would push more air..

Keep in mind the Egnater USA made OS 112 is actually a bit larger in interior volume than the Egnater TM 212.
 
richedie":2z4wi0gr said:
Casey Hanson":2z4wi0gr said:
jwdubois":2z4wi0gr said:
I'm thinking about getting another speaker cab for my Rebel. I'm looking for a more open, "airy" sound with a bit less mid. Would I be better off adding another 1x12" Egnater cab to match the one I have now, or should I take a look at trading for something like the 2x12" Tourmaster cab? Would the ability to separate and angle the 1x12" cabs give me any advantages, or just cause nasty phasing?

Thanx
JWW

i'll trade ya my 1x12 OS for a 2x12 ;)

i love my OS, but the 2x12 would push more air..

Keep in mind the Egnater USA made OS 112 is actually a bit larger in interior volume than the Egnater TM 212.
I don't think so.OS112 H 22.75,W25,D14 TM212 H 23,W 29.75,D 12"
 
jmgman69":1x5fgnug said:
richedie":1x5fgnug said:
Casey Hanson":1x5fgnug said:
jwdubois":1x5fgnug said:
I'm thinking about getting another speaker cab for my Rebel. I'm looking for a more open, "airy" sound with a bit less mid. Would I be better off adding another 1x12" Egnater cab to match the one I have now, or should I take a look at trading for something like the 2x12" Tourmaster cab? Would the ability to separate and angle the 1x12" cabs give me any advantages, or just cause nasty phasing?

Thanx
JWW

i'll trade ya my 1x12 OS for a 2x12 ;)

i love my OS, but the 2x12 would push more air..

Keep in mind the Egnater USA made OS 112 is actually a bit larger in interior volume than the Egnater TM 212.
I don't think so.OS112 H 22.75,W25,D14 TM212 H 23,W 29.75,D 12"

True, but interior volume they are pretty much the same - maybe a hair off.
 
I just bought a 212x to mess with. I'd have to say, from about 300hz and up, there's very little difference between a single 212x and two 112x cabs. Below 300hz, there's definitely more beef in the 212x. Here's my take..

If you're the kind of guy that likes a lot of beef onstage, or if the PA you're used to playing through isn't all that beefy, then I'd go with a 212x.

However if you're like me and you like your stage sound cleaner, then I'd go with the two 112x cabs. Keep in mind, you can't really judge a little cabinet by the typical listening position, which is usually about 6' away from the cab. If you take a listen down where the mic usually is, there's loads of beef there that the mic will pick up just fine. Let the mic pick all that up and then the PA will give you that girth & extension. Trust me, I've converted a handful of touring guitarists that I've worked with. They all thought they needed all that huge tubbyness onstage, but in all reality there was loads of it already in the mic. Everyone else in the band will love you as well because they're not having to listen through all that useless flab. Whether I'm doing FOH, monitors, or guitar teching, this is one trick that helps me get called back. However, there's always the bonehead that wants his pant legs to move from 20' away and doesn't give a shit about anyone else onstage. Luckily, that guy is usually the first to go.

Another benefit of the two smaller cabs is the ability to separate them, for a wider sound, or for monitoring reasons such as one cab behind you and one cabinet down in front angling up at your like a wedge.

Another cool trick is if you have a stereo tube power like a VHT, you can run one cab onstage on ch1 at a lower volume. And then run the 2nd cab offstage with ch2 opened up hotter, then mic the offstage cab. If you're playing a small room and don't have a good offstage area, you can put it in a foam lined trunk or under some wool blankets. I've gone as far as running a long speaker cord and a mic out to a cabinet that we left in the back of the truck.

For gigs with a bigger stage, I'm thinking I'll run the 212x as my dry center on ch1 of my VHT. And then use both 112x's as wide mono wet cabs on ch2 of the VHT. Haven't tried it yet but I have a feeling it'll be quite nice. :D

tm212rig.jpg
 
I hear ya Klark but I am just a married guy with kids and a day job and does this part time when we have time so I can't afford having many cab options. Any clubs we play are typically too small for more than one cab. unless the odd gig where that is possible.

Also, more than half the places we play, the guitars do not go through the PA, we have to use stage volume and the Mod 50 will be about half way up. So am I one of those bone heads who would be the first to go? :( :D

Your comments and others like this always make me wonder why even have a tube amp. After all if you keep the amp real low on stage, you aren't getting a lot of the tube goodness anyway. Plus, many of the PAs we run through really suck and the sound guys can be just as bad. I am talking little Philly bars and clubs. I could just use a modeller like the Axe-FX and call it a day. In the end, I like amps/cabs that sound good at low and high volumes.
 
Then a 212x would be perfect for you. I've heard a gazillion 2x12's over the years, and the 212x is definitely one of the better ones, especially for a bar band without decent PA. Some would say move to a 4x12, but then you're too big for the smaller gigs at that point. The 212x is the perfect middle of the road.

And why have a tube amp? Because nowadays it's not all that necessary to be that loud and heat the tubes up and move the cones that much. With my M4 & VHT, my stage volume is lower than ever with great tube tone. But sometimes, it's just nice to get a little farther into that sweet spot. With a Mod 50, I envision it sounding very good throughout a larger range than most tube heads. Half way up on a 50 watt head is not unreasonable for dealing without a PA, especially it your drummer's heavy handed.
 
Klark":208imle9 said:
Half way up on a 50 watt head is not unreasonable for dealing without a PA, especially it your drummer's heavy handed.

I usually have the master at 2 oclock in these situations but my drummer is VERY heavy handed.
 
I like my Eggy 212s. I add the Randall Mic eliminators in them and use it for recording direct into the Roland 16/24. You could also do that and go direct from the cab to the house pa and use your cab as a stage monitor.
 
212x? Is that the TM212?
I prefer a 212 that sounds big, not too directional and speakers that can sound decent at lower volumes.

Yea, noon - 2:00 is about where I have it at rehearsal.

I guess you were talking about the guys who crank higher than that???

Randall Mic eliminators? I know Eric likes these. I didn't know I could record with this! Hmmmm
Is it in the cab or the head?
 
Yes the TM 212s. I use the XLR out to the input on the Roland with out any problems of clipping. Great clean recordings. I did have to cut the opening a quarter of an inch bigger for the mic elims.
 
well i finally gigged out with the mod50.. the OS 1x12 was enough for sure.. module masters between 12 & maxed, main master around 11
 
Casey Hanson":3g0t5o12 said:
well i finally gigged out with the mod50.. the OS 1x12 was enough for sure.. module masters between 12 & maxed, main master around 11

Casey, what is your clean module? I use the Bassman with channel A gain around 10:00 and module master at max. With this, I still can't get the SL2, Erect or EG3/4 past 10:00 or maybe 11:00 on the module master because then the gainier modules are 2-3 times as loud as the Bassman.
 
Thanx for all the suggestions, this has been a good discussion.

I just went to GC and picked up a second Egnater 1x12 cab. After a couple of hours playing it, I don't think it's going to work out like I hoped. It doesn't sound bad, but it doesn't really sound any different either, still very dominant in the upper mids. The only thing I noticed was that I could turn the bass down a tad. It didn't help me get that airy, diffused sound I'm looking for though. Maybe if I was really playing at volume it would have made a difference, but in the music room, I guess not. I'm going to try a few more physical arrangements. If that doesn't work, I guess I'll take it back and think about trying a different driver and something like a beam blocker.

Or, maybe I'll pick up a TM212 to try out if they have one.

JWW
 
richedie":tq37kvda said:
Casey Hanson":tq37kvda said:
well i finally gigged out with the mod50.. the OS 1x12 was enough for sure.. module masters between 12 & maxed, main master around 11

Casey, what is your clean module? I use the Bassman with channel A gain around 10:00 and module master at max. With this, I still can't get the SL2, Erect or EG3/4 past 10:00 or maybe 11:00 on the module master because then the gainier modules are 2-3 times as loud as the Bassman.


i use the t/d. the twin side is dimed, and the deluxe side is around 1 oclock. erect volumes are around 1-2 oclock and 3 oclock
 
Casey Hanson":2aei9qzs said:
richedie":2aei9qzs said:
Casey Hanson":2aei9qzs said:
well i finally gigged out with the mod50.. the OS 1x12 was enough for sure.. module masters between 12 & maxed, main master around 11

Casey, what is your clean module? I use the Bassman with channel A gain around 10:00 and module master at max. With this, I still can't get the SL2, Erect or EG3/4 past 10:00 or maybe 11:00 on the module master because then the gainier modules are 2-3 times as loud as the Bassman.


i use the t/d. the twin side is dimed, and the deluxe side is around 1 oclock. erect volumes are around 1-2 oclock and 3 oclock

I'd be curious to try the T/D for the extra headroom. With the Bassman dimed, I can't get the Erect past 11:00 for balanced volume.

I just wish the T/D had more gain on tap like the Bassman. Everyone says the Jan Phillips 5751 tubes give the Bassman more headroom though.
 
Most of the "experts" (TGP- Jay Mitchell) say that 2 1-12"s sound identical to 1 2-12" of the same total volume/size.

I know you'd have more flexibility. My experience is also that, any 2 12" rig has much fuller bass, less honky mids than single 12" cab. Airy? - Reducing honk seems to increase sweetness in trebles (IMHO) I actually stack 'em more often than "splay".

An aside - I've pretty much Mitchell-"Doh"nutted all cabs.
 
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