POLL: What Tubes Are You Running in Your Diezel VH4?

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POLL: What Tubes Are You Running in Your VH4?

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angelspade said:
Correct...And I know other guys that have run them as well. But my understanding is that Peter recommends against them in the VH4. Ventura here at the board can probably comment further.
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To the extent you know, do 6550s cause some sort of technical problem which can lead to malfunction? Any threads documenting this issue by chance?
 
Leveraged Sellout said:
Do they not like making them with 6550s? I was actually hoping to get a VH4 with 6550s
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I fkn LOVE 6550's in my VH4 amps. But according to Papa, he frowns on their utility as they run pretty hot and pull a lot from the pV and circuit of the amp. But dear gawd do they sound ridiculously good.
 
the other John Browne said:
KT77s are my preference for anything EL34 based. That being said, my Herbert mk2 and VH4 came loaded with JJ EL34s and sounded decent.
Also had JJ 6CA7s in the VH4 for a while as my spare set of KT77s turned out to be kaputt. I liked those a lot too.
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This will sound weird but I only put Mesa 6l6s in all 3 diezels . Judi opens them up with added agression
 
Ventura said:
I fkn LOVE 6550's in my VH4 amps. But according to Papa, he frowns on their utility as they run pretty hot and pull a lot from the pV and circuit of the amp. But dear gawd do they sound ridiculously good.
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So having Diezel build me a VH4 with 6550s from the factory is out of the question?
 
Leveraged Sellout said:
So having Diezel build me a VH4 with 6550s from the factory is out of the question?
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It might get complicated.

Best to ask Peter Stapfer, he may be able to better field this question and give you specifics. It's not as though the amps "as they are" can't run 6550s, as you've seen and investigated yourself, they've been plugged with 6550 direct stock from the factory countless times in the past by many musicians and players alike. It's just that - seemingly on a long enough timeline, the 6550 do fry up, and can fry up certain components and circuitry within the native stock build of the VH4.

Papa's recommending NOT to use them is more to keep warranties at bay and make sure those spending heavy loot on one of the best amps in the world, don't come away disappointed when something starts to smell burnt. EL34, 6L6, KT77, there are a LOT of options out there...a lot.
 
Ventura said:
Man these links are a trip down memory lane!!! Crazy fun. Hard to believe 14 years later here we are 😂
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Yup...And he's still using the VH4s. Which is really saying something...My understanding is that he tries everything and the only "boutique" brands that have stuck to him have been Diezel and Wizard.
 
Ventura said:
It might get complicated.

Best to ask Peter Stapfer, he may be able to better field this question and give you specifics. It's not as though the amps "as they are" can't run 6550s, as you've seen and investigated yourself, they've been plugged with 6550 direct stock from the factory countless times in the past by many musicians and players alike. It's just that - seemingly on a long enough timeline, the 6550 do fry up, and can fry up certain components and circuitry within the native stock build of the VH4.

Papa's recommending NOT to use them is more to keep warranties at bay and make sure those spending heavy loot on one of the best amps in the world, don't come away disappointed when something starts to smell burnt. EL34, 6L6, KT77, there are a LOT of options out there...a lot.
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Emailed customer support via the website form a few days ago, no response yet…

Know of a better way to get in touch with em? Are KT77s super different sounding compared to 6550s? I would think yes
 
Leveraged Sellout said:
Emailed customer support via the website form a few days ago, no response yet…

Know of a better way to get in touch with em? Are KT77s super different sounding compared to 6550s? I would think yes
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Yes, they sound different - but I love 'em. Worth going back to the 6550s for?? Maybe for a change - but it's not something I'm chomping the bit for. I loved the SED =C= 6550, and ONLY those 6550 with the VH4. Not sure what the going rate is on those lately but I know I sold a quad a couple years back for a cool $1000 and the buyer was happy as a pig in shit. If I need to blow $1000+ on glass just to get that kinda difference?? No dice - I'll stick with KT77s, and as previously mentioned, I may even revisit the 6L6 fan-club, it's been 12 years since I used 'em. Maybe my ears wanna try something fresh :dunno: but right now I'm still totally in love with how my VH4 sounds. And my Hagen. And my other VH4. And my D-Moll.
 
Ventura said:
Yes, they sound different - but I love 'em. Worth going back to the 6550s for?? Maybe for a change - but it's not something I'm chomping the bit for. I loved the SED =C= 6550, and ONLY those 6550 with the VH4. Not sure what the going rate is on those lately but I know I sold a quad a couple years back for a cool $1000 and the buyer was happy as a pig in shit. If I need to blow $1000+ on glass just to get that kinda difference?? No dice - I'll stick with KT77s, and as previously mentioned, I may even revisit the 6L6 fan-club, it's been 12 years since I used 'em. Maybe my ears wanna try something fresh :dunno: but right now I'm still totally in love with how my VH4 sounds. And my Hagen. And my other VH4. And my D-Moll.
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Thank you for all this info, I ended up going with a Herbert with KT77s!
 
Question: Which tubes do you guys believe delivers the most crisp crunch and sizzle in the top end for palm mutes in the VH4? ...6L6?
 
angelspade said:
Question: Which tubes do you guys believe delivers the most crisp crunch and sizzle in the top end for palm mutes in the VH4? ...6L6?
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You bought a Herbert?? You can mix 3 pairs of tubes in that amp FYI.

As for the VH4, top end sizzle will be KT77 as it marries the mids of the EL34 with the high-end of the 6L6, no joke.
 
Running EL34s...Sound like I should give those KT77s a shot. I have to run the treble and presence pretty high to get that crisp top end that I like.
 
Ventura said:
You bought a Herbert?? You can mix 3 pairs of tubes in that amp FYI.

As for the VH4, top end sizzle will be KT77 as it marries the mids of the EL34 with the high-end of the 6L6, no joke.
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I haven't got a Herbet yet. I'm looking for a Mark III. I may end up trading my Hagen for one. I'm not certain yet.
 
angelspade said:
I have to run the treble and presence pretty high to get that crisp top end that I like.
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That’s just how the amp is at low volumes. Changing the tube type won’t dramatically make the amp brighter. As the volume goes up and the speakers push more air the high frequencies will come into the picture. This is why the VH4 pairs really well with V30s.
 
pipboy90 said:
That’s just how the amp is at low volumes. Changing the tube type won’t dramatically make the amp brighter. As the volume goes up and the speakers push more air the high frequencies will come into the picture. This is why the VH4 pairs really well with V30s.
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Thank you appreciated. Yes, most of the time I'm hovering around living room volumes. I have to push certain frequencies a little harder, but the VH4 still sounds amazing.
 
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