Real cab or IR? Tech death riff

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I'd guess one channel is ir and one is miced just for shits

Cool ass riffs too, I'd probably notch the gain down a hair for a bit more clarity tho
 
right channel to me is brighter.

can't tell at all if it means its the ir.

its just different.
 
It doesn't matter.

Nobody with "experienced ears" will be able to tell because modeling and captures have come such a long way. The feel in a live situation may differ slightly since a FR monitor will replace the tube amp but even that feeling is being produced with too similar results.

I'm going to take a guess and say that the harsher sounding one is the tube amp and the modeling is the one that sounds more pleasing. I'm saying that because it's become easier to mix IR's into a track now than mic'ing an actual amp/cab.
 
tjnx said:
left channel sounds easier on the ears than right. so either both with mic on left, ir / digital on right or a custom ir. mostly because the fthwicks don't sound as clear and the widdly's at ~30 sec seem a little harsh.

if it is mic'd it sounds like there is some sort of degradation (like when I screwed up my bounce settings) or its not in a position I would prefer. the fatigue I get from mixing w/ irs is why I lean that way but it could be possible to get that with a mic as well I suppose, I just haven't done it yet.

that's my guess
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I’ve noticed drop box has started to add some audio degradation within the last year or so randomly.

Did a Google drive file too.

 
don’t know, don’t care, and hard panning simultaneous tracks is a shit way to compare anything
 
Spaceboy said:
don’t know, don’t care, and hard panning simultaneous tracks is a shit way to compare anything
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Is it!? You mean, the way you generally always hear guitars when listening to music? And before you in the room nazi’s come in, we are talking about RECORDING here if it’s not completely obvious….i love how recording guitars the “normal” way is “shit”, but people have an orgasm over in the room iPhone clips where you can hear more of the guitar strings than anything else.
 
Man I would just like to learn to do a little recording myself without it sounding like dogshit. My iPhone videos don’t work at all.
 
I listened on my phone speakers and can say one is real cab and another is IR 😂
 
JackBootedThug said:
Man I would just like to learn to do a little recording myself without it sounding like dogshit. My iPhone videos don’t work at all.
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Just get a cheapish interface, their hi zs are all pretty good these days. Get a neural dsp plugin or stl tones. Experiment bouncing out tones double tracked. This will translate to helping you mic stuff in real life because they’re so damn accurate.
 
VESmedic said:
I can’t tell if you’re being serious, god I hope so though.
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Ves, don’t you know me enough to remember that I always claim I know shit in all these advanced tone discussions 😂

Ofc I am fooling around, what do expect me to hear from a phone speaker that merges both channels together? 😂
 
VESmedic said:
Is it!? You mean, the way you generally always hear guitars when listening to music? And before you in the room nazi’s come in, we are talking about RECORDING here if it’s not completely obvious….i love how recording guitars the “normal” way is “shit”, but people have an orgasm over in the room iPhone clips where you can hear more of the guitar strings than anything else.
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Hey dipshit, take two seconds to think before you reply.
 
The last time @TheGreatGreen did an amp/axe fx shootout I did correctly guess the amp. It sounded different. Significantly? No, but enough to tell. I was also familiar with all of the equipment he used for the test, so that helped.

In regards to IRs and (good) load boxes, I do think you can get extremely close to the sound of a real mic’d up speaker to the point that it’s almost not worth the effort. It’s incredibly hard to tell, if at all.
 
Spaceboy said:
Hey dipshit, take two seconds to think before you reply.
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Welp, I’m not the one commenting on hearing guitars in literally the most usual possible way you hear them when listening to music( you know, that thing instruments are made for? Creating music) and stating it’s “shit”….but hey, you do you homie, everyone knows you’re a moron here, and we are all laughing at you, as you saw by the posts after your comment.
 
Given it's streaming over the internet I'm going with all digital.
 
pipboy90 said:
The last time @TheGreatGreen did an amp/axe fx shootout I did correctly guess the amp. It sounded different. Significantly? No, but enough to tell. I was also familiar with all of the equipment he used for the test, so that helped.

In regards to IRs and (good) load boxes, I do think you can get extremely close to the sound of a real mic’d up speaker to the point that it’s almost not worth the effort. It’s incredibly hard to tell, if at all.
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I think it’s fair to say you can hear one is “different” than the other, but what does that really mean? Stating they sound different is fine, and maybe is to be expected. But, That’s not really getting to the point of the test. However, I am curious what made you guess the amp correctly, which is cool of course! I always like to hear what other people are hearing and what made them sure of their opinion on what they chose as the real and not real amp, If that makes sense.

This isn’t really aimed at your post but, I have yet to ever hear anyone clearly state what is an IR, and what is a real mic/cab setup…like, ever. Can they get lucky and guess? Sure, and if they are honest with themselves, they would probably say that is the case: a lucky guess. The “easiest” of these tests to guess which is which would be taking out all of the variables, and having the absolute only variable be one is a mic/cab setup, and the other clip being an IR of that exact setup with the same DI track, same amp etc. I say this would be the easiest because then the differences you hear could vary well be attributed to only the one variable ( IR vs mic/cab setup). But, 2 totally different clips, with totally different amps, volume levels, amps etc , no one is going to get it right outside of sheer luck in guessing. I’d bet my house on it. THATS the real test in my opinion. If people are sooooo sure they can tell what recording is a digital modeler and which one is an amp, or which one is a real cab/mic vs an IR, then they should be able to tell with polar oppposite sounds that have nothing to do with eachother….because apparently, the sonic footprint of digital and/or IR’s is so apparent to these folks…..until you tell them to put their money where their mouth is.
 
VESmedic said:
I think it’s fair to say you can hear one is “different” than the other, but what does that really mean? Stating they sound different is fine, and maybe is to be expected. But, That’s not really getting to the point of the test. However, I am curious what made you guess the amp correctly, which is cool of course! I always like to hear what other people are hearing and what made them sure of their opinion on what they chose as the real and not real amp, If that makes sense.

This isn’t really aimed at your post but, I have yet to ever hear anyone clearly state what is an IR, and what is a real mic/cab setup…like, ever. Can they get lucky and guess? Sure, and if they are honest with themselves, they would probably say that is the case: a lucky guess. The “easiest” of these tests to guess which is which would be taking out all of the variables, and having the absolute only variable be one is a mic/cab setup, and the other clip being an IR of that exact setup with the same DI track, same amp etc. I say this would be the easiest because then the differences you hear could vary well be attributed to only the one variable ( IR vs mic/cab setup). But, 2 totally different clips, with totally different amps, volume levels, amps etc , no one is going to get it right outside of sheer luck in guessing. I’d bet my house on it. THATS the real test in my opinion. If people are sooooo sure they can tell what recording is a digital modeler and which one is an amp, or which one is a real cab/mic vs an IR, then they should be able to tell with polar oppposite sounds that have nothing to do with eachother….because apparently, the sonic footprint of digital and/or IR’s is so apparent to these folks…..until you tell them to put their money where their mouth is.
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I could hear the impedance curve change between the AxeFx and the Rectifier (he was using a Suhr RL, which I used to own). The real amp became more compressed with an OD pedal in front vs the Axe version, as well as there being more harmonic content.
 
Bram576 said:
Just get a cheapish interface, their hi zs are all pretty good these days. Get a neural dsp plugin or stl tones. Experiment bouncing out tones double tracked. This will translate to helping you mic stuff in real life because they’re so damn accurate.
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That’s what I have. Need a mic. Everything I record sounds like dogshit.plus the process for me is a pain.
 
Bram576 said:
I’ve noticed drop box has started to add some audio degradation within the last year or so randomly.

Did a Google drive file too.

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That sounds better. Sounds a little more ir or sim - esque due to scratchiness on the attack. So I'll go with that.

I'm not saying irs are bad, I bought a ton and would love for it to be just plug and play. The best thing I did for mine was to sweep for frequency peaks (ie at like 4k) and pull them out + an aggressive low pass on the high end. This made it sound more like the real thing.

Line outs > analog pre > irs seems to sound good in a lot of clips I've heard from other people. Heavier multi-tracked rhythm guitars are most forgiving with them and can sound really really good. My problem was after I did all that a lazily mic'd cab sounded better and it saved me work.

If the ir's sounded better I'd go with those. Export settings are important too...and line outs...and di box choice...
 
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