Recorded Camron Amps

[SpiderWars]

It truly is remarkable that Cameron threads go to utter shit EVERY time. Now for some REAL fun...

CERIATONE !!! Let's see what happens now !!! Lol

I've noticed that it's less than a handful of people that do pretty much ALL the shit-stirring and bashing.

 

[paulyc]

I'm not bashing, I love Cameron amps and I love Ceriatone amps.

 

[gibson5413]

I hear anecdotally that Cameron amps do not retain their tones when turned up enough to push air to record or play live
This being the reason given there are no pro players using the amps. Some say it is the fault of the diode clipping.

So... this is a bit of a pet peeve of mine - please understand this is not directed at you, just at the concept in general.

The whole idea that diode clipping in an amp causes problems with tone at volume or is inherently "bad" because it is not "tube gain" is total bullshit. I hear tons of people talk about how "boosting a stock Marshall is all you need". Well guess what? Jose style diode clipping is doing a similar thing (adding a bit of saturation) is a different way that actually reduces overall volume directly proportionally to the value of the diodes used.

I owned two Jose Arredondo modded Marshalls in the '80s that I used on stage, including in front of 5000 people in a large auditorium, with the diode clipping engaged and these amps sounded fucking glorious. The modded 100 Watt JCM 800 I was using, with the diode clipping engaged, in that large a room, I still couldn't get the amp's master above 12 o'clock before the sound guy would be srceaming at me. There is no reason to crank a 100 watt amp onstage with a PA mix, even in an auditorium, unless that is the only way the amp gets the goods (like a stock Plexi). And it is going to be tough to get a good PA mix with an amp that loud on stage, thus the reason for attenuators, PPIMVs, half-power switches, variacs, you name it.

There is not one amp I've ever owned that had diode clipping, including the amps I build, that I cranked loud enough to play a large auditorium, moving plenty of air and the amp sounded like crap or didn't retain it's tone because the diode clipping was engaged, including Mark's amps (and I've owned an original CCV, a Jose Mod and modded Standel with clipping circuits).

For the tones, I like I can also say that I could get the Jose (with diode clipping engaged) and the Aldrich mod I had (which is all tube gain stages), dialed in and cranked up and there was no difference in the tone. They both sounded great.

The idea that diode clipping is inherently bad or causing amps to "fall apart" at volume is nonsense. If you've played one of Mark's amps and preferred it without the clipping engaged, that's fine, but it doesn't mean that it is inherently bad, just another option.

My amps do not require the clipping circuits to be engaged to have plenty of gain, however, they sound just as good crazy loud with the diode clipping engaged. This clip is just a shitty camera clip, but it is with the highest level of clipping engaged and ear-splittingly, Coliseum-level loud:

Sounds damn good and not falling apart to me...

Steve

I can second this with first hand experience with Steve's Bottle Rocket design. It sounds glorious on all of the settings at both low and high volume. I've owned a couple of Jose inspired amps and the Bottle Rocket is my favorite!

 

[Racerxrated]

Damn i thought i was just lucky and was the only post xrated bashed and wanted to go gear page on. Dude told me my be100 wasnt handwired or even 80%. Love that atention i guess dont we. Annoying101

????
Like I told you before, your BE isn't hand wired. I had an older one that was. Know what? Doesn't make a damn bit of difference. But you were ripping on Mesa products vs Friedman, and stating Friedman was better because they are hand wired, which they're not. Either the amp sounds good to you or it doesn't, hand wired turret vs pcb doesn't make one better than the other.

 

[Beandust]

I was ripping on m8esa products? Unreal. You process information with intent and then you accuse people based on your pathetic perception. Truly gifted. Ive never ripped any gear. My opinion or not prefering a tone isnt ripping it. Sounds like your ripped. Try better heroin for us all

 

[Hardvalve]

When are we going to ban this human piece of garbage? Having severely mentally ill people in a forum trying to interact with normal well adjusted people, is cruel to the sick person. For posterity's sake, his own government supported recovery should go much better. Our tax dollars need to help him get better, him being here furthers his delusions of grandeur, and is a complete waste of welfare dollars he subsists on in his Hubble. For the good of humanity, the forum, the Internet, and common decency let's send him on his way. We area not a hospital for the infirm. He needs real professional help, and a looooong stay inside a hospital where bubba can finish raping some sense back into him. Since he learned nothing from his years inside. In the name of all that is holy, remove the cancer.

 

[Hardvalve]

God bless.

 

[Racerxrated]

I was ripping on m8esa products? Unreal. You process information with intent and then you accuse people based on your pathetic perception. Truly gifted. Ive never ripped any gear. My opinion or not prefering a tone isnt ripping it. Sounds like your ripped. Try better heroin for us all

So, Beanpod, Heroin is it? Well, that explains a few things then. It was JP2C thread and you mentioned that the Mesa isn't handwired, like your BE. I pointed out that your BE isn't handwired either.

Then your thong got all in a bunch over the mere 'insinuation' that the Mesa was 'equal' to your 4K handwired OOPS I mean PCB Friedman. Oh no. Friedman Fanboi upset. Watch out.



When it's 4K it HAS to be the best, and EVERYONE has to agree with you right???
Friedman fanbois are the bestest evar.

 

[Anonymous]

Hand-wired is meaningless. It's either turret board, point to point, PCB or some hybrid. All amps are "hand-wired", PCB included.

There are great amps made with PTP, Turret Board and PCB construction. One is not better, or worth more than the others... PCB is gonna be more consistent amp to amp though...

Steve

 

[Racerxrated]

Hand-wired is meaningless. It's either turret board, point to point, PCB or some hybrid. All amps are "hand-wired", PCB included.

There are great amps made with PTP, Turret Board and PCB construction. One is not better, or worth more than the others... PCB is gonna be more consistent amp to amp though...

Steve

Exactly my point. Mesa has good construction, Friedman has good construction. Neither is better than the other, at least construction wise.
Tonewise, personal choice.

 

[Cornfordcrunch]

Re Don Dokken Up from the Ashes....this bottom paragraph is Mark Cameron's reply from years ago aout the tone on that record.
Mark Cameron wrote:

MrDan666 wrote:
I have a John Norum interview somewhere from back in the 90s, and John mentions that both him and Billy took a bunch of marshalls to Jose Arredondo a few months before they went into the studio to record that album. I'm pretty sure he said they had 4 jose modded marshalls each during that tour too.



Those Jose's sounded like shit...on the tour...and... I think the CD....John and Billy used a SLO or HR50 with a G'venor pedal in the clean(like Gary Moore used) and his....now mine....Arvidson guitar...the Mirror Mirror solo is Johns old Hiwatt that someone had stolen some time right after he recorded that solo...this was the frist solo he did for that CD.....Don's old Lee Jackson 69 modded Marshall Im sure is in the mix too.

 

[311splawndude]

^ Good info

You are truly stupid. A true fucktard of the highest order.

Hmm..let's see...Doug Aldrich's Rig...Cameron amps included in said rig...

Many posts in the thread about how Doug Aldrich recorded with Dio using Cameron modded Marshalls...and a modded Standel....

Unless you are going to now call Dan Gower a liar as well. And the other RT members who chimed in.
See Douchebag Danny, you just keep trying and you never get anywhere, ever.

OP asked about what albums/artists recorded with Cameron amps. You chime in on unrelated sludge about him stealing. Thinking you'll start up some shit and have people take your side.

Too bad you lose. BTW I heard you did time?? Funny you call Cameron out and here you are talking shit with a criminal record.

Bet you made a good prison Bitch, Bitch.

Now go lay down by your dish.

Notice how nice it has been around there this past week