Recovering Mesa Addict looking for What's Next

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Beyond Black said:
Jeremy has been completely ruined by Coli power sections. 50 watt suggestions are pointless. Lol
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Could always slave! But yeah there’s something to be said for those massive power sections. Was playing my monomyth yesterday, and while it sounded amazing, had more gain and sat perfectly mix wise, plugging into my wizard and A/Bing it… the wizard just filled the entire room vs the mono.
 
Can't remember if Jeremy's had a Wiz MTL? That would him all the punch he needs to keep up with ANY Coli in the room. And, the mid mids don't exist in that amp! :p

But, that amp will cost you more than 2500. So, in essence all you have left is an old Superlead, that has it's EQ modded to be more metal friendly and grab that BE OD plus your OD1X and away you go.
When I say old superlead you'll have to look at a late 70s version to fit your budget....earlier ones will cost more. Or even a JCM 800 1959...those will run cheaper yet, but are harder to find.
The non master amps have a crushing amount of headroom that will make your Coliseums blush.
 
mooncobra said:
He finds old Laney and Hiwatt PA’s with big ole partridge transformers and makes them into 3 and 4 channel machines of glorious tone.
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Oh, so PA builds are Partridge Transformer Builds?

I thought all Hermansson builds are similiar. Comes out there are some details like different options of the same mod?

Thank you for educating me!
 
Bram576 said:
Could always slave! But yeah there’s something to be said for those massive power sections. Was playing my monomyth yesterday, and while it sounded amazing, had more gain and sat perfectly mix wise, plugging into my wizard and A/Bing it… the wizard just filled the entire room vs the mono.
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I do have a pretty beastly power amp (M180) that thickens & tightens, HOWEVER, it requires the main amp to have a slave out from the POWER section- and MOST amps these days don't have this. This is one reason I was heavily considering a SLO30. That amp, a little tighter & with 180W behind it could be pretty effing killer.

If a Badlander for example had this it could really work well.
 
Texhex said:
Yeah, now that you mention it I can see the Resonance thing being an issue.

I’ve also got an OG 50W 5150III… Blue channel with a boost is brutal. 100W Stealth could be the way to go bro.


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This amp is definitely on the radar. for LIVE work I think it could be pretty good, I'm just not sure what it does that my 6505 doesn't. For the house I bet I'd still prefer the Boogies though..
 
Bram576 said:
Could always slave! But yeah there’s something to be said for those massive power sections. Was playing my monomyth yesterday, and while it sounded amazing, had more gain and sat perfectly mix wise, plugging into my wizard and A/Bing it… the wizard just filled the entire room vs the mono.
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Yeah, since my band is a 3 piece I put high value on the guitar tone filling the room. Need big balls & air push.
 
Racerxrated said:
Can't remember if Jeremy's had a Wiz MTL? That would him all the punch he needs to keep up with ANY Coli in the room. And, the mid mids don't exist in that amp! :p

But, that amp will cost you more than 2500. So, in essence all you have left is an old Superlead, that has it's EQ modded to be more metal friendly and grab that BE OD plus your OD1X and away you go.
When I say old superlead you'll have to look at a late 70s version to fit your budget....earlier ones will cost more. Or even a JCM 800 1959...those will run cheaper yet, but are harder to find.
The non master amps have a crushing amount of headroom that will make your Coliseums blush.
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I had a VERY early MTL. I did not like how it felt, but in hindsight, it did sit very well in the band. Same-ish story with the Splawn Nitro. For that reason a MCII and a Quick Rod have always been on my radar- I think they would both be way better live. Very different price points, though.

As you know I have access to that 1-owner '77 JMP 1959, but it would need a lot of work to make it metal.
 
GJgo said:
I had a VERY early MTL. I did not like how it felt, but in hindsight, it did sit very well in the band. Same-ish story with the Splawn Nitro. For that reason a MCII and a Quick Rod have always been on my radar- I think they would both be way better live. Very different price points, though.

As you know I have access to that 1-owner '77 JMP 1959, but it would need a lot of work to make it metal.
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Nope....all it needs is a simple EQ tweak; so you can drop those mids....that's it.....then add 2 pedals and you'll get EASILY metal gain levels. And, the Vol on the BE OD if it's right before the amp will act as a master vol. JMP, BE OD, and OD1X and you're set.
Sure, you could have the whole amp modded to add that gain, but why? When all you need are 2 good pedals, and you can keep the amp virtually stock. Either the mid pot needs a different value, or the resistor/cap in the EQ part of the circuit needs a swap to allow for more scoop of those 'mid mids' you hate lol.
 
CrystalSky said:
Oh, so PA builds are Partridge Transformer Builds?

I thought all Hermansson builds are similiar. Comes out there are some details like different options of the same mod?

Thank you for educating me!
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This is one of them, and this demo barely scratches the surface of what it’s capable of. Super bad ass amp.


 
Thank you everyone for all of your input. I have spent some quality time with YT demos through my studio monitors on all of the amps mentioned to take a fresh look at them from the perspective of what would sit well in a live metal mix. Interestingly enough, it's hard to find live footage of bands using super $$$ amps, so if you have any clips you can post of these amps live please do.

I've had a couple very good Greenie cabs over the years- which sounded fantastic- and they just don't make the metal noises I'm looking for. From that viewpoint if the best speakers for an amp are GBs, it's probably not the amp I'm looking for. That said the closest I ever got to the GBs sounding proper in the band was with the Rev C Recto. That was a fantastic combo in almost every way, other than it didn't reeeeally chug.

I don't hate mids- I hate MARK mids- they are just in the wrong frequency for me. There are other amps I listen to that seem similar in that where their mids sit, to make them toneful puts it in a place where the guitar will just disappear. Of course Marshalls are the king of cut, but for the most part they have no ass / chug unless modded.

Beyond the constraints I mentioned early in the thread one thing came to mind last night. My band plays in D std. For my taste, I've found that there are a lot of awesome amps that are voiced for E std., and as the tuning drops the amps start to fall apart. For example- vintage Marks. They're barely hanging on in D, and going lower IMO they start to sound bad. OTOH, one of the things I appreciate about the cheap & lowly 6505 I picked up is that this circuit excels at low tunings. So, of the host of awesome amps that everyone is talking about here, which ones really hold together at low tunings? I may also pick up a 7 string so this is important to the conversation.

I know there are a TON of awesome amps out there so the whole idea of some constraints is to really help narrow it down & develop a priority order. To recap-
- Mids that sit well in a live metal mix
- Can chug / has ass
- Works with (older good sounding) V30s
- Holds together well & ahs good articulation in low tunings

I have amazing amps for home / bedroom / recording where I can get my fix of The Best in articulation, feels, tone. This isn't about that, it's really about finding a top level LIVE tone! There's a dude I talk to about amps a lot who's not on this board and he has toured on the crews of a lot of big name metal bands and claims he's seen every amp worth anything live including Larrys. He says there's a reason that you see so many JCM800, 5150 & Rectos on tour because they just work live. Said he went through every boutique amp there is before accepting that. He told me another story about touring with Metallica, their kid's band played every Saturday night. One has Recto R00010 and the other has a Badlander. Said after a month he was floored & honestly upset that every night in every venue the BL just sat & cut far better.

So... amps from the thread or otherwise that have been mentioned and are actually available in the market right now, and I've heard demos that were interesting. The list is still too long. If we consider which ones sound great with a 7 string, what from this list is left?
- '77 JMP 1959 double boosted
- Wizard MCII or M800
- Mezzararba Mzero
- 1996 SLO
- EVH Stealth 100
- Splawn QR / Competition
- Uberschall rev Blue or Twin Jet
- Monomyth 2203
- Ground Zero Hellion
 
GJgo said:
Thank you everyone for all of your input. I have spent some quality time with YT demos through my studio monitors on all of the amps mentioned to take a fresh look at them from the perspective of what would sit well in a live metal mix. Interestingly enough, it's hard to find live footage of bands using super $$$ amps, so if you have any clips you can post of these amps live please do.

I've had a couple very good Greenie cabs over the years- which sounded fantastic- and they just don't make the metal noises I'm looking for. From that viewpoint if the best speakers for an amp are GBs, it's probably not the amp I'm looking for. That said the closest I ever got to the GBs sounding proper in the band was with the Rev C Recto. That was a fantastic combo in almost every way, other than it didn't reeeeally chug.

I don't hate mids- I hate MARK mids- they are just in the wrong frequency for me. There are other amps I listen to that seem similar in that where their mids sit, to make them toneful puts it in a place where the guitar will just disappear. Of course Marshalls are the king of cut, but for the most part they have no ass / chug unless modded.

Beyond the constraints I mentioned early in the thread one thing came to mind last night. My band plays in D std. For my taste, I've found that there are a lot of awesome amps that are voiced for E std., and as the tuning drops the amps start to fall apart. For example- vintage Marks. They're barely hanging on in D, and going lower IMO they start to sound bad. OTOH, one of the things I appreciate about the cheap & lowly 6505 I picked up is that this circuit excels at low tunings. So, of the host of awesome amps that everyone is talking about here, which ones really hold together at low tunings? I may also pick up a 7 string so this is important to the conversation.

I know there are a TON of awesome amps out there so the whole idea of some constraints is to really help narrow it down & develop a priority order. To recap-
- Mids that sit well in a live metal mix
- Can chug / has ass
- Works with (older good sounding) V30s
- Holds together well & ahs good articulation in low tunings

I have amazing amps for home / bedroom / recording where I can get my fix of The Best in articulation, feels, tone. This isn't about that, it's really about finding a top level LIVE tone! There's a dude I talk to about amps a lot who's not on this board and he has toured on the crews of a lot of big name metal bands and claims he's seen every amp worth anything live including Larrys. He says there's a reason that you see so many JCM800, 5150 & Rectos on tour because they just work live. Said he went through every boutique amp there is before accepting that. He told me another story about touring with Metallica, their kid's band played every Saturday night. One has Recto R00010 and the other has a Badlander. Said after a month he was floored & honestly upset that every night in every venue the BL just sat & cut far better.

So... amps from the thread or otherwise that have been mentioned and are actually available in the market right now, and I've heard demos that were interesting. The list is still too long. If we consider which ones sound great with a 7 string, what from this list is left?
- '77 JMP 1959 double boosted
- Wizard MCII or M800
- Mezzararba Mzero
- 1996 SLO
- EVH Stealth 100
- Splawn QR / Competition
- Uberschall rev Blue or Twin Jet
- Monomyth 2203
- Ground Zero Hellion
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The amps that fit your requirements that aren’t on your list yet are the Diezel VH4 or the Herbert. Check them out if you haven’t.
 
GJgo said:
Uberschall rev Blue or Twin Jett
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I’d get the ultra. I love mine. Owned all revisions and the ultra can get the sounds of each pretty spot on. The amp has an insane amount of flexibility with the depth, density, and morph controls.
 
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Scott Splawn with his band Dreamer





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Blackoz (GnR cover band)



Godsmack
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Killswitch Engage for a period of time (the clip Bubbastain had I can't find)
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For fun here is Laura (aka TheValveQueen)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1MQD5JWR14
 
Do you have access to an amp with a high power switch that lowers B+ plate voltage?
GJgo said:
Thank you everyone for all of your input. I have spent some quality time with YT demos through my studio monitors on all of the amps mentioned to take a fresh look at them from the perspective of what would sit well in a live metal mix. Interestingly enough, it's hard to find live footage of bands using super $$$ amps, so if you have any clips you can post of these amps live please do.

I've had a couple very good Greenie cabs over the years- which sounded fantastic- and they just don't make the metal noises I'm looking for. From that viewpoint if the best speakers for an amp are GBs, it's probably not the amp I'm looking for. That said the closest I ever got to the GBs sounding proper in the band was with the Rev C Recto. That was a fantastic combo in almost every way, other than it didn't reeeeally chug.

I don't hate mids- I hate MARK mids- they are just in the wrong frequency for me. There are other amps I listen to that seem similar in that where their mids sit, to make them toneful puts it in a place where the guitar will just disappear. Of course Marshalls are the king of cut, but for the most part they have no ass / chug unless modded.

Beyond the constraints I mentioned early in the thread one thing came to mind last night. My band plays in D std. For my taste, I've found that there are a lot of awesome amps that are voiced for E std., and as the tuning drops the amps start to fall apart. For example- vintage Marks. They're barely hanging on in D, and going lower IMO they start to sound bad. OTOH, one of the things I appreciate about the cheap & lowly 6505 I picked up is that this circuit excels at low tunings. So, of the host of awesome amps that everyone is talking about here, which ones really hold together at low tunings? I may also pick up a 7 string so this is important to the conversation.

I know there are a TON of awesome amps out there so the whole idea of some constraints is to really help narrow it down & develop a priority order. To recap-
- Mids that sit well in a live metal mix
- Can chug / has ass
- Works with (older good sounding) V30s
- Holds together well & ahs good articulation in low tunings

I have amazing amps for home / bedroom / recording where I can get my fix of The Best in articulation, feels, tone. This isn't about that, it's really about finding a top level LIVE tone! There's a dude I talk to about amps a lot who's not on this board and he has toured on the crews of a lot of big name metal bands and claims he's seen every amp worth anything live including Larrys. He says there's a reason that you see so many JCM800, 5150 & Rectos on tour because they just work live. Said he went through every boutique amp there is before accepting that. He told me another story about touring with Metallica, their kid's band played every Saturday night. One has Recto R00010 and the other has a Badlander. Said after a month he was floored & honestly upset that every night in every venue the BL just sat & cut far better.

So... amps from the thread or otherwise that have been mentioned and are actually available in the market right now, and I've heard demos that were interesting. The list is still too long. If we consider which ones sound great with a 7 string, what from this list is left?
- '77 JMP 1959 double boosted
- Wizard MCII or M800
- Mezzararba Mzero
- 1996 SLO
- EVH Stealth 100
- Splawn QR / Competition
- Uberschall rev Blue or Twin Jet
- Monomyth 2203
- Ground Zero Hellion
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Do you have access to an amp with a high power switch that lowers B+ plate voltage?
 
Nigel said:
Do you have access to an amp with a high power switch that lowers B+ plate voltage?
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My IIC+ and IIC++ Coliseums' half power switch doesn't lower PV, but it does lower screen voltage about 100v.

I'm fresh out of Rectos (which I'm also trying to "rectify"), but their bold / spongy switch lowers PV.
 
@311splawndude thanks man, that's super helpful.

I know I've heard killer live Wizard clips. SLO clips OTOH have never done it for me despite how I know they sound live.

When I go to shows and see the usual mix of touring amps my favorite tones are usually JCM800s or Peaveys. I always want to love the Rectos but I can never hear them in the mix!
 
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