exactly .. I bet no one ever picked up a guitar after hearing Satch (mainly because they never would have heard him.. and the fact his tone sucks) .. even without hearing Randy play, just a picture of him with a guitar was enough to make you want a guitar
Yep , Holdsworth was on the scene way before Yngwie
Sails of Charon I know very well and it sounds very different than Yngwie to me. Way more musically interesting also than Yngwie. The other 2 songs I’ll have to give a listen and see if I know them or not
I guess vs other instrumentalist guys I can agree
I'm sure he did like Holdsworth but Holdsworth isn't doing anything close to Yngwie here and his vibrato is that typical stale jazz/fusion style. You could make the case on one or two patterns he used there but they don't sound as musical to me as what Yngwie did with the pedaltone thing, arpeggios, and harmonic minor. He was also a mean blues player. The guy has insane touch over that pentatonic box. The Uli connection is the closest I have seen but Yngwie took it even further and that to me, is a style on to it's own . I think as much as people like to say A,B, and C came before, nobody did it like Malmsteen. (Stage antics are a Blackmore / Hendrix sort of thing with added kicks!)
Time stamped, I can see where Malmsteen would have gotten some of his ideas from this. Holdsworth is not doing this. The big wild vibrato.
How old is Yngwie here? 18 or 19? He's doing something " and then some" compared to these guys. Tonally and phrasing wise i mean, not technical even because obviously Holdsworth was a machine. lol on the headstock feather.. tell us who you really admire YJM
I'm sure he did like Holdsworth but Holdsworth isn't doing anything close to Yngwie here and his vibrato is that typical stale jazz/fusion style. You could make the case on one or two patterns he used there but they don't sound as musical to me as what Yngwie did with the pedaltone thing, arpeggios, and harmonic minor. He was also a mean blues player. The guy has insane touch over that pentatonic box. The Uli connection is the closest I have seen but Yngwie took it even further and that to me, is a style on to it's own . I think as much as people like to say A,B, and C came before, nobody did it like Malmsteen. (Stage antics are a Blackmore / Hendrix sort of thing with added kicks!)
Time stamped, I can see where Malmsteen would have gotten some of his ideas from this. Holdsworth is not doing this. The big wild vibrato.
How old is Yngwie here? 18 or 19? He's doing something " and then some" compared to these guys. Tonally and phrasing wise i mean, not technical even because obviously Holdsworth was a machine. lol on the headstock feather.. tell us who you really admire YJM
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Kurt Angle
I agree with this. Well said. The less accessible players you listed are more technicians than musicians to me other than Eric Johnson and Holdsworth, but I understand still less accessible to most listenersThe problem with this thread is that we are all guitar players/musicians and we pigeon hole ourselves into the guitar. Ask non musicians who these players are and you will get mixed answers…. My idea of a genius is one who can create an earworm hook and over decades and everyone who listens to western music still knows that hook. Are they just better lucky than good or genius musicians ? Or did they have the “right hook at the right time”. ie.. I can’t get no satisfaction; great hook for the time, probably get lost in today’s world of music. But it’s a genius earwom. It still lives today.
Other examples: Rock you like a hurricane, jump, shook me all night long, Round and round, crazy train, sweet child of mine etc etc. these songs are over 40 plus years old and if you ask teenagers about them today; they know em- still very mainstream and used in movies, commercials etc- it’s generational. That’s lucky and right place at right time effect which we might consider genius too. I would guess that Yngwie, JS, SV, Eric Johnson, holdsworth albeit incredible musicians have pigeon holed themselves. No songs that the masses naturally hum while wandering through Walmart or sitting on the dumper. And they are probably ok with that. My idea of genius is someone who creates something that other people need/want and the money that gets earned doesn’t get wasted on cars, decadence, drugs, bitches. Is Randy a genius? Who knows but two words “crazy train”. Is MJ a genius? One word “thriller”. Is EVH a genius? “Eruption” and so on.
Look at the end result of these guys: Randy got in a plane which he didn’t like to fly, MJ was killed by his doctor who he hired to put him to sleep every night with anesthesia, and EVH smoked 24/7 and developed head and neck cancer which took him. If you think about it this way, they were idiots.