Renegade 65W head reverb

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I've had the Renegade 65W head for almost two months now and it is a great sounding amp. I also have the tourmaster 2x12 cabinet.

I have some questions regarding the reverb. I know it is a new digital reverb using the following Wavefront chips:

AL3201BG (Digital Reverb Engine with 16 effects)
AL1101G Analog to Digital converter
AL1201G Digital to Analog converter

I've experienced an intermittent slap back type of sound using the built in reverb. I've heard this on two different Renegade heads. It happends on either preamp channel. You can hear it mostly when you are playing hard on the strings and muting for a staccato articulation. Most of the time the reverb decay is very smooth.

Has anybody else experienced this?

Obviously if I use a reverb in the effects loop, I don't have an issue.
 
I haven't experienced this, but then I haven't used the reverb extensively on mine yet. I'll see if I hear anything when I go to practice tonight.

On another note - do you happen to know the signal flow for the reverb? Are the AD/DA and reverb chips in series with the main signal path? I was assuming that it was in parallel, but your question started me thinking...
 
Resonant Alien":33v4kfcj said:
I haven't experienced this, but then I haven't used the reverb extensively on mine yet. I'll see if I hear anything when I go to practice tonight.

On another note - do you happen to know the signal flow for the reverb? Are the AD/DA and reverb chips in series with the main signal path? I was assuming that it was in parallel, but your question started me thinking...
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I have a question regarding the location of the reverb in the signal path also. I noticed it isn't available on the effects send or from another preamp into the effect return. Would like to know the answer on this also.
 
Anybody else have any feedback on the reverb in the Renegade?

Location in the circuit would be really helpful.
 
FYI, the Reverb is in parallel with the effects loop. Does the reverb make the "slap back" noise if you reduce the reverb level knobs? Also, try reducing the channel masters and increasing the main master. Let me know the results, please.
 
Hey there. New to the board folks. My two cents worth on the Renegade reverb. I have a 212. The "slapback" is definitely there, and on both channels. Specifically, if you run either channel volume past 12 o'clock you can hear it - no matter how little reverb you have dialed in. If you hear the reverb, you will hear the resulting slapback artifact. It does not appear to have anything to do at all with the amp master volume.

The challenge I have is that I really have a personal preference for the amp's tone by going easy on the gain knobs and driving the channel volumes pretty hard - say from 12 noon to about 2 o'clock. This makes the amp reverb, which otherwise sounds quite good to my ears, unusable for me.
 
Bruce,

Yes, the reverb makes the "slap back" or "popping" noise even with the reverb level set to 9 o'clock.

At your request, I quickly tested reducing the channel volume from the problematic 2 o'clock setting to 12 o'clock and the problem seems to go away. So I think you are on the right track with the signal level that is going into the reverb section being a problem.

Just to clarify how to duplicate the problem, place your left hand over the strings to muffle them and then strum the strings with your right hand hard with a pick. This makes the problem happen very frequently. It sounds like a string of fire crackers going off, with slapping and popping noises.

The problem happens on both channels, but is easier to hear for troubleshooting on channel one.
 
Quick update. The problem is still there with reduced channel volume levels, but is harder to notice.
 
Reducing the channel volume isn't going to be a solution for me, especially on channel 1. Need to have the channel volume at least at 12 o'clock. At that setting, the reverb issue, it very noticeable.

You can duplicate the problem easily though.
 
Any updates on this from the boys at Egnater?

Also would like to see about changing the recording output level from mic level to line level while still keeping the same speaker simulation filter tone.
 
Bruce, can I please get an update on the status of a fix for the reverb problem that is present in the Renegade head.

Thank you.
 
Did anybody ever get a response from Egnater about the big reverb problem with the Renegade? I saw that way beck in January the question was posed to Egnater with no reply!

Thanks.
 
If anyone is still looking for an answer to the reverb issue, please see my posting under the topic "noisy renegade" or something like that. Bottom line is that you are getting great reverb, you just don't appreciate it. At least that's what John Ewing, GM at Eganter told me on the phone today.
 
bamfx7":3mqtie4b said:
Any updates on this from the boys at Egnater?

Also would like to see about changing the recording output level from mic level to line level while still keeping the same speaker simulation filter tone.
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I'd be interested in this as well. bamfx7, Have you heard or discovered anything regarding the mic to line change?
 
Egnater is DOING NOTHING about the reverb issue. I talked with John Ewing about that topic today. There is NO REVERB ISSUE. We just don't happen to like what they like!
 
There most certainly is an issue with the reverb in the renegade. I have described how to repeat the situation.

This is not a personal taste thing.

I would appreciate a response from Bruce on this.
 
Bruce did respond on another thread. He requested some audio clips of the problem. I'm currently working on it but since it's an intermittant problem I can't dial it up on command. Although it was doing it without exception all last week ...ugh!

If you can post a good clip of what it sounds like it would help them understand the issue. I'll be doing the same when mine is acting up again.
 
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