Review: GnR vs SL2

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Thanks to Jason's generosity loaning his GnR to me, I have put together a review for anyone interested in this modification. Here's what I found using a Eric Johnson Strat and a SG Standard, through my MOD 100 using Eggies 2x12 cab:

I always compare modules using the same settings, with no bright or bass boost, and with all of the EQ knobs at twelve o'clock. Presence and density knobs were at 9 o'clock. Overall volume was my average band level, so I'm moving some air and getting a little speaker interaction, but not ear bleeding loud.

First thing I noticed about the GnR: To my ears this module is the most balanced of all of my modules. I thought it sounded amazing with NO tweaking at all. I could actually leave it EQ'd straight up like that and be happy. Most of my modules need a mild tweaking to my ears.

Distortion: It seems like the GnR has slightly more gain than the SL2, but this might be just an illusion since the treble has more bite, making it feel gainier.

Bass: Tighter than the SL2, when you palm mute it seems to resonate more with the same settings. As you release the mute, it distorts quicker. With both modules at the same volume, the GnR's bass sounded bigger and seemed to have more clarity too. Not jangly or piano like, just clear and tight.

Mids: I don't know if Eric and Jeff addressed the mids, but it seems to me there's a dip there, compared to the stock SL2. Kind of reminded me of the VX in this area. Very pleasing to the ears, and a little less similar to Egnater's normal midrange take, which I like too. I lowered the mids a bit just to see how sensitive it was. You can easily get that VX bounce in channel A for rhythm when you do that. But overall I thought both channels sound better without any cut in that frequency.

Treble: The highs have a nice sparkle to them, giving you that "easy" feeling to solos. The notes just seem to flow out, even on channel A. The SL2's treble in comparison sounds less out front, and to me feels more stiff when playing single notes, especially in channel A. There just seems to be more harmonics in the GnR's treble, it's very lively and fun to play. Hammer-ons and pull-offs sound especially great here. And overall it's more relaxing to play because you don't have to dig in as much to make it pop. And of course when you do dig in, it growls more. Natural and pinch harmonics are a breeze to nail.

In a band situation it cuts through the mix very nicely - no surprises there since the SL2 cuts pretty darn good. Comes from good stock. LOL!

A bonus to the GnR is how nicely it cleans up when you roll down the volume on your guitar. Like the EG5, the extra clarity really helps when you do this. My Strat and SG sounded really nice, even on the bridge pickup. I could use this as a working clean sound, which is great, saving me a foot stomp. Much easier to roll back a knob than hit a footswitch while singing to me.

One more thing: With a lot of the modules, you have to compromise a little with the EQ from one channel to the other. Not with the GnR. I was just as happy with both rhythm and lead sounds with both of my guitars. With my SL2, I tend to darken up the A channel some for rhythm to get a good full lead sound.

So there you go. A very cool must have module.

Thanks again Jason. -Bill
 
Bill,glad you liked it man!!!Nice review.Enjoy it for awhile or are you sending one in :lol: :LOL:
 
jmgman69":2z0nge2n said:
Bill,glad you liked it man!!!Nice review.Enjoy it for awhile or are you sending one in :lol: :LOL:

Love that thing. I really enjoyed playing it. It just cuts so well with a band, and its so balanced. Glad you liked the review. Oh yeah - I'm sending mine in!!! Thanks again Jason!
 
bscfo1":unw8rfd0 said:
jmgman69":unw8rfd0 said:
Bill,glad you liked it man!!!Nice review.Enjoy it for awhile or are you sending one in :lol: :LOL:

Love that thing. I really enjoyed playing it. It just cuts so well with a band, and its so balanced. Glad you liked the review. Oh yeah - I'm sending mine in!!! Thanks again Jason!

On the mids, I actually asked Jeff to get more "grit / grind / bark" in the mids to be more like my old Silver Jubilee, and not be as smooth. I wanted snarl in the upper mids like a Marshall should. Jeff suggested we do something in between the tighness of the SL2 and EG5 w/ the GNR. Fits perfectly IMHO. Also, wanted a bit more bite on the top end. By doing all of that it really did increase the clarity. It's definitely one of my favorite modules by far.

It pairs up SOOO well w/ my DLX, COD, and EG5. That's what I have been running as of late. DLX, GNR, and EG5 are pretty much mainstays in my M4. The 4th slot for a COD, VX, etc. has been a bit of a "musical chairs" module slot. Definitely the GNR and EG5 are my tones. Heavier tones I go w/ the EG5...solos and more "GNR" (pun intended) types of tones go w/ the GNR module. Hendrixy / overdriven SRV is GNR ChA all the WAY!!! :)
 
Eric,
What you're describing with the mids is exactly what I hear. You and Jeff did a great job of capturing the upper mids of a really good Marshall. Eggie mids are famously smooth. The GnR's are unique - only the VX's sounds similar to me in this frequency.

And of course the tweaks to the low and high end really round this thing out. The lows react faster, just like real a Marshall - that urgent tight bass that's very forward. The highs remind me of a good Marshall too - that sizzle in the presense without being to buzzy. Quite a feat.

Eric - maybe you should get a commission! LOL! Thanks for your efforts.
 
All this talk is really making me want the GnR. I should have mine back this week!
I haven't heard this much hype about a module in a long time.
 
Great review and it really sounds like a fab module, must have it!
 
muudrock":2p4cu12c said:
All this talk is really making me want the GnR. I should have mine back this week!
I haven't heard this much hype about a module in a long time.

Definitely a module everyone that loves Marshall tones should have!
 
It doesn't sound good don't send them to me please! :lol: :LOL:
 
On the mids, I actually asked Jeff to get more "grit / grind / bark" in the mids to be more like my old Silver Jubilee, and not be as smooth. I wanted snarl in the upper mids like a Marshall should.
A thought here. I am no expert in marshall tones and maybe I am not tweaking right but........
It seems to me that the SL module, said to be designed to cover the jtm45/plexi marshall tones, has a smoother/egnater sounding tone(which I also dig) than the classic rock tones of AC/DC/ Hendrix etc. Many classic rock tones seem to have more "grit / grind / bark" in the mids, snarl in the upper mids" without the higher gain.

Can the above quote from Eric also be done to the SL module to achieve more of those classic rock tones? without the higher gain?

:)
 
Jeff Hilligan":1gbn9s3k said:
It doesn't sound good don't send them to me please! :lol: :LOL:


You might as well get ahead of it tool up for a run of them Jeff. Face it you've created a monster.
 
blumuz123":30w0kep1 said:
Can the above quote from Eric also be done to the SL module to achieve more of those classic rock tones? without the higher gain? :)

I would be interested in the answer to this as well......... :lol: :LOL: :thumbsup: Jeff??
 
Buckeyedog":1zj273tp said:
blumuz123":1zj273tp said:
Can the above quote from Eric also be done to the SL module to achieve more of those classic rock tones? without the higher gain? :)

I would be interested in the answer to this as well......... :lol: :LOL: :thumbsup: Jeff??

I will try it and see what it does.
 
Jeff Hilligan":1b8rwzug said:
Buckeyedog":1b8rwzug said:
blumuz123":1b8rwzug said:
Can the above quote from Eric also be done to the SL module to achieve more of those classic rock tones? without the higher gain? :)

I would be interested in the answer to this as well......... :lol: :LOL: :thumbsup: Jeff??

I will try it and see what it does.
Please do!!! :D
 
I found the SL to naturally have more bite than the SL2. Not sure if the "GNR" mod on the SL would be overkill.
 
Stupid question - what does "stiff in the high end" mean?
 
swimrunner":3gq4tsn3 said:
Stupid question - what does "stiff in the high end" mean?

Not a stupid question - I'll try to explain it in a different way.

Because the GnR's treble has more bite than the SL2's, when I solo with a lower gain, the notes just feel like they flow better and don't sputter out. It's a feel thing. They "pop" better off the fretboard.

Some of the better pickers might not notice it because they have more accuracy as they pick every note. But I'm not that consitent sometimes. Someday's I'm better than others, but even on good days, on most phrases, I'll use some kind of mixed picking/hammer/pull off thing to make it smooth.

This is where I notice the difference. The clarity just seems to be better on the GnR. The SL2 (although excellent) is not as easy to play for me.
 
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