Seymour Duncan Custom SH5 or Dimarzio Super Distortion

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Not sure this has been brought in to this debate, and don't think its been posted, but Thorny (a sometime RT'r) has a pretty decent comp of the Duncan 59, EVH Frankenstein, Dimarzio Super distortion, and Duncan Custom-Custom.

https://youtu.be/R2XasTLvPqY
 
For older EVH tones, I prefer using the Dimarzio SD, The Duncan '78, & Tom Holmes 455

the video clip is a Dimarzio SD

 
If you listen to thornys clip(youtube)of the duncan 59,dimarzio super distortion,EVH Frankenstein and the duncan custom custom, the EVH Frankenstein and the duncan custom custom sound the same.Also on youtube Dario van halen used a duncan custom custom and his sound is bright and not muddy at all.
 
nitro":rtufveh9 said:
If you listen to thornys clip(youtube)of the duncan 59,dimarzio super distortion,EVH Frankenstein and the duncan custom custom, the EVH Frankenstein and the duncan custom custom sound the same.Also on youtube Dario van halen used a duncan custom custom and his sound is bright and not muddy at all.
That may well be, but I've owned multiple Custom Customs and I've had a Custom Custom and a EVH Frankenstein in the same guitar. The Custom Custom is all mids and a bit of low end in every guitar I've tried it in. The EVH Frankenstein is bright and clear. I'll take my own personal experience over internet clips any day...

Steve
 
sah5150":31fluqzu said:
nitro":31fluqzu said:
If you listen to thornys clip(youtube)of the duncan 59,dimarzio super distortion,EVH Frankenstein and the duncan custom custom, the EVH Frankenstein and the duncan custom custom sound the same.Also on youtube Dario van halen used a duncan custom custom and his sound is bright and not muddy at all.
That may well be, but I've owned multiple Custom Customs and I've had a Custom Custom and a EVH Frankenstein in the same guitar. The Custom Custom is all mids and a bit of low end in every guitar I've tried it in. The EVH Frankenstein is bright and clear. I'll take my own personal experience over internet clips any day...

Steve
Concur...same experience here.
 
sah5150":xv8qqikl said:
nitro":xv8qqikl said:
If you listen to thornys clip(youtube)of the duncan 59,dimarzio super distortion,EVH Frankenstein and the duncan custom custom, the EVH Frankenstein and the duncan custom custom sound the same.Also on youtube Dario van halen used a duncan custom custom and his sound is bright and not muddy at all.
That may well be, but I've owned multiple Custom Customs and I've had a Custom Custom and a EVH Frankenstein in the same guitar. The Custom Custom is all mids and a bit of low end in every guitar I've tried it in. The EVH Frankenstein is bright and clear. I'll take my own personal experience over internet clips any day...

Steve

I concur.
 
nitro":3bubve3y said:
There are so many of the so called van halen pickups out there that to me the majority are just money makers and a lot of BS myth.The only pickups there were around back then(mid 70s)were Gibson pickups,Dimarzio and Mighty Mite that's it . Seymour Duncan started to sell pickups in 1979. Van halen 1(first album) was recorded in 1977 and released in 1978 so Edwards choses were the three brands(Gibson-Dimarzio-Mighty Mite)that were only available.


Well, Seymour was rewinding pickups in 1976 and 1977 and Ed could have gone to him and it looks like that's what Ed did because Ed mentions Seymour and rewinding in some of Ed's earliest interviews from 1978.

Ed says he has to get the PAF's rewound otherwise they don't sound right.

Swapping a magnet is like child's play to Seymour, so if Ed wanted more oooooomph then a ceramic magnet swap into a rewound PAF would have been easy for Seymour to do and that's basically what the Custom is/was and Seymour was trying to sell it as the EVH pickup in 1979 when Seymour started selling his own line of pickups.

Pickups are only one variable.

If anyone has changed speakers on an amp, then they will know that speakers are a variable too and some pickups might happen to work better (subjectively better) with some amps/speakers than with others.

Another thing is that just because Ed might have used a Les Paul or a Flying V or whatever Gibson on a track, it doesn't mean that the pickups are stock PAF's and they could have easily been rewound.

From Ed's first interview in mid 1978 http://jasobrecht.com/eddie-van-halen-c ... nterviews/

"Your main guitar with the Charvel body and neck – you have one pickup in it?

Yeah, just one. It’s a rewound P.A.F., an original old Gibson pickup. I had the coil rewound to my specifications."

"Do you modify your Pauls?

No. Just the pickups. They’re P.A.F.’s also, rewound.

You really like those P.A.F.’s.

Oh, yeah! Like on the record, I like the way they sound. They really sound different. They’re not stock, though. Like this one right here, I just bought that gold-top because it’s got two original ones in it, but they don’t sound quite right, so I gotta get ’em rewound."
 
Getting a pickup rewound to the so called "EVH 78" specs is basically a non event because some stock PAF's have those 9k winding specs and some stock PAF's can hit the 10k mark.

So getting a 7.5K ohm PAF rewound to 9K won't do that much in terms of a larger signal output, so what is the point?

Also, this so called "EVH 78" pickup suddenly mysteriously appeared out of the blue in the 1990s and what then is the connection to early Ed, when there is the Seymour "EVH pickup" from 1979 that was the Custom and produced when Seymour was doing pickup work for Ed at that time in the late 1970s.

If a pickup gets rewound it might be because of damage or it might be to add signal output and adding signal output drives an amp (such as a Plexi) easier into overdrive.

Ed was getting his PAF's rewound by Duncan because they didn't sound right with his Plexi, which means to me that he is getting them rewound for more signal output and therefore higher spec'd rewinds more like a 13K to 14K rewind and also maybe some magnet swapping to drive his Plexi more.

So getting a 7.5K ohm PAF rewound to 13K makes a difference and that's what the Custom basically is, a rewound PAF to around 13K to 14K and a ceramic magnet swap, and that results in more signal output that drives an amp (such as a Plexi) easier into overdrive.

A 13K to 14K pickup with a Alnico 2 will still have more signal output than a 9K A2 or a 7.5K A2, and that's Ed's Frankenstein pickup (14K A2) but Ed changed pickups after installing the Floyd and went through a series of pickup swaps before landing on the 14K A2 Frankenstein pickup.

The pickup in the B&W Franky with a stock Fender bridge is not the same pickup as the R/B&W Franky with a Floyd.

Ed had another trick (by this time he was messing around with Floyds and so A2's to compensate for the Floyd's tonal effects) where he swapped a ceramic magnet out of a stock 13K to 14K DiMarzio Super Distortion for an A2 magnet (for the Bee) and that was something he probably picked up from Seymour.
 
To complicate things, I just changed the AT-1 I had in my new to me Charvel, to a Duncan Custom - and it sounds awesome! Better mids, punchier.

Maybe the Custom is all you need?
 
Rocksoff in your opinion would you chose the Dimazrio Super Distortion or the Duncan Custom Custom or ?? for the Van halen 1(first album) sound.
 
nitro":vpdwlfhi said:
Rocksoff in your opinion would you chose the Dimazrio Super Distortion or the Duncan Custom Custom or ?? for the Van halen 1(first album) sound.
Gotta say, these 70s Mighty Mite 1300 Distortion pickups I just grabbed off Reverb would definitely be the ticket. Just put one in my relic strat and they are like a Super D, but with a bit more output and sparkle on the high end. Check my other thread...

Steve
 
I have tried the super d,custom, MM 1300,MM1800, custom-custom, custom -5,EVH frankenstein,78,2nd degree BB, Arcane brownbucker and to be honest the mighty mite 1400 vintage pickup is the closest to VH I i have heard/tried.
it is a PAF overwound tone with a ceramic magnet and if VH I tone is what you are after
get one of these then, :thumbsup:
 
nitro":3yqx2cvy said:
That sounds very similar to the Dimazrio Super II.
The Super 2 is a 8-9K neck pickup, no? That is what is says on the Dimarzio site. :confused:

Steve
 
charvelstrat81":3m1qebqm said:
I have tried the super d,custom, MM 1300,MM1800, custom-custom, custom -5,EVH frankenstein,78,2nd degree BB, Arcane brownbucker and to be honest the mighty mite 1400 vintage pickup is the closest to VH I i have heard/tried.
it is a PAF overwound tone with a ceramic magnet and if VH I tone is what you are after
get one of these then, :thumbsup:
You are also describing a Duncan Custom, which you already tried as well...how does it compare to the 1400?
 
Bronco":2a1jk8ao said:
charvelstrat81":2a1jk8ao said:
I have tried the super d,custom, MM 1300,MM1800, custom-custom, custom -5,EVH frankenstein,78,2nd degree BB, Arcane brownbucker and to be honest the mighty mite 1400 vintage pickup is the closest to VH I i have heard/tried.
it is a PAF overwound tone with a ceramic magnet and if VH I tone is what you are after
get one of these then, :thumbsup:
You are also describing a Duncan Custom, which you already tried as well...how does it compare to the 1400?
the duncan custom has a bigger bass and more output
the 1400 reminds me of a custom lite :thumbsup:
 
Holy crap! Will you lunatics EVER stop chasing the Van Halen tone? :doh:



























































I hope not! :lol: :LOL:
 
And let me add one more pickup to the Van Halen tone mix. I REALLY dig the Duncan 59/Custom Hybrid. That has gotten me closer than I have ever been before. So close in fact that I didn't turn on my amps or plug in for almost 4 months after playing them with this pickup because I had finally achieved that sound to the point that pursuing it any further would just be ludicrous to me. :D
 
charvelstrat81":3ffsnoti said:
Bronco":3ffsnoti said:
charvelstrat81":3ffsnoti said:
I have tried the super d,custom, MM 1300,MM1800, custom-custom, custom -5,EVH frankenstein,78,2nd degree BB, Arcane brownbucker and to be honest the mighty mite 1400 vintage pickup is the closest to VH I i have heard/tried.
it is a PAF overwound tone with a ceramic magnet and if VH I tone is what you are after
get one of these then, :thumbsup:
You are also describing a Duncan Custom, which you already tried as well...how does it compare to the 1400?
the duncan custom has a bigger bass and more output
the 1400 reminds me of a custom lite :thumbsup:
Yeah, the 1400 is less than 9K...

Steve
 
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