SL2 lovers!

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Hey, SL2 lovers. ;) You know who you are...

I love this module but it poses a problem my other modules do not. I use channel A and channel B as distinctly different tone. I use A for more classic rock tones and B for thos heavy modern Alice in Chains type tones.

My problem as always comes with solos. I know I was loving the Boss EQ but it started to not work in the effects loop because it is not line level and I missed my core Egnater tone.

So, what do you all do in this type of situation? Do any of you use A and B for these type tones and how do you kick in for leads?

Rich
 
Rich,

Are you playing in a real live band situation or at home?
I use the B side of the SL2 for Rhythms and leads with a Peavey Wolfgang in Man in the Box without kicking in a boost other than my Fulltone Clyde Deluxe for the lead and it sounds great.

I have a live DVD performance of Man in the Box with the SL2 don't know how to post it.

If someone can tell me how to post it, I will.
 
Doubleneck":2odnwxi8 said:
Rich,

Are you playing in a real live band situation or at home?
I use the B side of the SL2 for Rhythms and leads with a Peavey Wolfgang in Man in the Box without kicking in a boost other than my Fulltone Clyde Deluxe for the lead and it sounds great.

I have a live DVD performance of Man in the Box with the SL2 don't know how to post it.

If someone can tell me how to post it, I will.
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I was in a band, not now. We just jam now but hope to get in another band soon.

So you use B for rhythm and lead, what do you kick in for leads. The Fulltone? I can see that because I have used wahs the same way and it can boost the signal. But what if you do not use the wah and play a solo without the wah?
 
On Man in the Box I am using Channel B for Rhythms and using the Fulltone Clyde to boost for the leads.

Settings for all other songs that I use the SL2

Channel A Gain 12:00, Bass 10:30, Middle 12:30, Treble 1:30, Master 10:45
Channel B Gain 12:00, Bass 10:30, Middle 12:30, Treble 1:30, Master 11:00
Bright & Bass Boosts OFF

Led Zep Rock N Roll Channel A for Rhythm Channel B for Lead Boost
Lenny Kravitz Are you Gonna Go My Way Channel A for Rhythm Channel B for Leads
AC/DC You Shook Me All Night Long
 
Forgot to mention,

I have one of the first MOD 100's that was able to accept the Dual Channel Modules.

Bruce and Frank modified my SL2 module so that:

Channel A has more gain and more treble than the regular version, Channel B is the same.
I can have the Gain On A and B @ 12:00 and there is a slight increase in Distortion on the B side.
I can also have the master volumes set @ about 11:00 the and there is a slight volume boost on the B side.
 
Doubleneck":vaeokhsf said:
Forgot to mention,

I have one of the first MOD 100's that was able to accept the Dual Channel Modules.

Bruce and Frank modified my SL2 module so that:

Channel A has more gain and more treble than the regular version, Channel B is the same.
I can have the Gain On A and B @ 12:00 and there is a slight increase in Distortion on the B side.
I can also have the master volumes set @ about 11:00 the and there is a slight volume boost on the B side.
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I may try this http://www.creationaudiolabs.com/mk423

Actually the cheapest thing to do may be to send the SL2 in for the modification. I don't want it to compressed though because A sounds great for classic rock. Then again, rolling back the volume on a guitar can achieve about the same as having less gain on the amp. For example, I could crank the gain on channel B and use my guitar's volume to play anything all night. Maybe that is the answer.
 
I use channel A with the gain dimed for rhythm. Channel B is gain at 3oclock and master up a little higher than channel A for solos. Works great. Dont need any midboost for solos. SL2 has plenty. Just a tad more volume and gain.
 
EWSEthan":2ui95dgy said:
I use channel A with the gain dimed for rhythm. Channel B is gain at 3oclock and master up a little higher than channel A for solos. Works great. Dont need any midboost for solos. SL2 has plenty. Just a tad more volume and gain.
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I agree on the mids, I just like the aggression on B that you don't get on A..even with the gain set high. What type of music you play?
 
EWSEthan":bwodiu7h said:
I use channel A with the gain dimed for rhythm. Channel B is gain at 3oclock and master up a little higher than channel A for solos. Works great. Dont need any midboost for solos. SL2 has plenty. Just a tad more volume and gain.
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Same here.
 
My band is pretty much Hard Rock, with Pop sensibilities so I dont need my rhythm sound super aggressive (you can listen to a song at the myspace link in my signature).

I pretty much use SL2 and EG5 interchangably (i only have gain on EG5 at like 10 oclock). But if I wanted to play more aggressive metal, Id either use EG5 or a boosted SL2.
 
I try not to swap module a ton of times during a session so I thought it would be nice to be able to use SL2 B for high gain rhythms and then something to boost me for leads.

A friend of mine is lucky because his sound guy always boosts him for leads, so he uses nothing. Although he swears his marshall with EL34s has no problem being heard no matter what. Since I am not in a band at the moment and only jam at sessions, guys are easy going so maybe I should save my cash and just have the EG5 and SL2 at the jam.

The Boss EQ sounded good but is not line level.
 
There are a number of true bypass class A boost type pedals out there that will boost your guitar's level with no degradation to your tone: Keely Java boost, fulltone fat boost (there are 2 versions), nick greer boost, pharoah boost etc... Just google clean boost pedal and you'll get the phone book. the Fulltone stuff is my personal fav, but there are plenty to choose from.
 
Thanks Spak, I was ocnsidering those as well. I may try one to see if it also makes it more gainy, which I don;t want. I want to keep it pretty natural and true tothe amp. Creation Audio Labs makes a good one!!!!!!!

I don;t know how they work in the loop and I think this is best done in the loop because I'll already have a decent amount of gain going!
 
Thanks man. I hate having to use a pedal that is not line level and trying to bring it up to line level is always a pain.

I may see if I can get by without any boost for now, even though it owuld be nice.

Keeley replied with this..

The pedal is not line level, although many, many players and studios have used it that way. It works for some.
I don’t think it would be best at all to use a pedal designed for the front end of the amp in the loop. The sound will be wrong because of an impedance mismatch in many cases. Lastly, you may have a headroom problem because of the amount of gain you use and the pedal (or any pedal) will not provide enough boost…
Thanks for the great questions.

Would you argue it is best to have these boosts in the loop?
 
How is the Fulltone Fatboost? I want to be able to use channel B for rhythm as well and then be able to kick in for leads. The best I am heairng is the Creation audio labs MK boost but is over $200, but will work in the loop so less noise. I thikn a boost up front introduces too much noise. How about a compressor to help stand out????

I understand about channel A maybe needing more treble but I just think it is the lack of gain that gives it that vibe, more mellow and vintage. I like ti for certain styles and that is why I would rather have a way to boost for leads. I could have it modified with more gain but then you lose that nice AC/DC or classic rock tone of channel A.

A boost out front can add noise and gain. I thikn I may try a compressor out front or the Creation Audio Labs boost which is supposed to ne great.
 
spakuloid":2x8fsr58 said:
you can't use them in the loop without something to get them to line level. However if you rally want to solve your problem and keep things in the FX loop use boss's EQ-20 pedal which has a line level +4 switch on the back - and it is programmable.

http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/products/en/EQ-20/
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Bro -

what is wrong with this advice? because it is a Boss pedal? Because it is not true bypass? Did you even try this Boos EQ pedal out or did you just look up some reviews on Harmony Central and toss it off? To ME it seems like this pedal could be the holy fucking grail to your solutions: Line level , programmable EQ's, boost, not too expensive, easily found at any local GC, DONE. Problem solved.

The Fulltone stuff is great as well but, ahem... YOU'LL HAVE TO TRY IT OUT YOURSELF ON YOUR GEAR.

There are many solutions to your issue and only YOU can answer them because everybody has different opinions regarding pedal placement, brands, playing level, what is good, etc...

You have 2 options as I see it.

Option #1 - get rack gear that is all line level and all your problems (well not all of them) will be solved.

Option #2 - Go to Guitar Center, Sam Ash - and or - Musician's Friend - or any of the other multitude of on-line retailers that let you try stuff out for 30 days and then return it with no questions asked as long as it is kept in new condition. Buy all the shit you MAY want - on a low or no interest credit card - try them all out on your own time - then return the rest within the time period allotted. Or - my personal favorite - return them ALL - and buy a used one of whatever you want on Ebay and save even more dough.

Then you can post your success stories here instead of trolling for answers to questions that only YOU and YOUR EARS can answer. For me - I have no problem putting stuff in front of ANY amp if it sounds cool- because I just use common sense to get to the root of the problem - not what some tool who listens to Dream Fucking Theater says on an on line post.

Use the fucking Force. And sometimes a low interest credit card. :thumbsup:
 
spakuloid":3o9dloh7 said:
Bro -

what is wrong with this advice? because it is a Boss pedal? Because it is not true bypass? Did you even try this Boos EQ pedal out or did you just look up some reviews on Harmony Central and toss it off? To ME it seems like this pedal could be the holy fucking grail to your solutions: Line level , programmable EQ's, boost, not too expensive, easily found at any local GC, DONE. Problem solved.

The Fulltone stuff is great as well but, ahem... YOU'LL HAVE TO TRY IT OUT YOURSELF ON YOUR GEAR.

There are many solutions to your issue and only YOU can answer them because everybody has different opinions regarding pedal placement, brands, playing level, what is good, etc...

You have 2 options as I see it.

Option #1 - get rack gear that is all line level and all your problems (well not all of them) will be solved.

Option #2 - Go to Guitar Center, Sam Ash - and or - Musician's Friend - or any of the other multitude of on-line retailers that let you try stuff out for 30 days and then return it with no questions asked as long as it is kept in new condition. Buy all the shit you MAY want - on a low or no interest credit card - try them all out on your own time - then return the rest within the time period allotted. Or - my personal favorite - return them ALL - and buy a used one of whatever you want on Ebay and save even more dough.

Then you can post your success stories here instead of trolling for answers to questions that only YOU and YOUR EARS can answer. For me - I have no problem putting stuff in front of ANY amp if it sounds cool- because I just use common sense to get to the root of the problem - not what some tool who listens to Dream Fucking Theater says on an on line post.

Use the fucking Force. And sometimes a low interest credit card. :thumbsup:
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YESSSSSSSSS!!! :lol: :LOL: :thumbsup: :m17:
 
Agree with Spak. Either get that EQ he mentioned (really excellent solution) or drive the heck out of channel A with a boost (your heavy crunch), then use the Channel B master for the volume boost. Just leave the boost pedal on all the time when using the SL2.

I know you know this, but adding a boost of any kind in front of a driven amp will not increase volume, so just quit looking for that solution now. You've got to use the master of the modules or an EQ in the loop. I don't really see any other way.
 
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