So, I'm thinking of getting one of these Diezel things...

[hsnyder]

Hey guys.

I'm in a progressive metal / melodic death metal band, we're about to start recording our first CD. To do so, we're thinking of adding another amp to our "collection" which really isn't a collection at all yet.

We have a marshall DSL100 with a 2x12 loaded with G12T75s, and, much more importantly, a Fractal Audio Axe-FX. We're not intending to run the Axe-FX DI, we're definitely going to get a cab or two to play through, by way of a pretty hi-fi solid state poweramp we have. We'd like another amp though, preferably one that the axe-fx can't model, and preferably one that has good percussive piano like cleans and good gain sounds too. So I'm thinking about a Diezel.

The axefx can model the VH4, but first of all a i'm not 100% convinced this model is spot on, and second, the VH4 has 3 other channels, so its still in the running. Its basically Einstein, Herbert, or VH4. To get an idea of the kinds of tones i'm talking about, some of my favourite tones are from the albums "Twilight of the Thunder God" by Amon Amarth, "Lateralus" by Tool, "Demigod" by Behemoth, "Wonder What's Next" by Chevelle, "Ghost Reveries" by Opeth. In fact, I'd say those are probably in order of preference

So... Am I looking for a diezel? Or a krankenstein like Amon Amarth used? In either event, any cab reccomendations? Both specifically for the diezel and in general for use with the axe-fx?

Thanks very much guys

 

[FourT6and2]

I play similar music and I love the VH4. I don't know about those other bands, but Tool's Lateralus had a lot of VH4 on it (along with Marshall Superbass). Either way, the Herbert or VH4 can get you nice tones. Don't know about the Einstein.

 

[RJF]

Your search ends with a Herbert.......

 

[MississippiMetal]

There are a lot of people purchasing and thinking about purchasing a Diezel these days.

I wish I had the $$ to be contemplating getting a Diezel right now.

Recession my pale white ass...

I can't haz Herbert

 

[Ventura]

Either the V or the Herbster... Pends on your want of articulation and tightness. Personally, the V is a very adaptive amp, you can conjure SO many tones and styles out of it. But if death melodic heavy thrash melt yer face toonage is yer schtick, and ya wanna a lil' loosey goosey in the low end to make things interesting, get a Herb.

Either way, buy a Diezel - you will not regret it.

V.

 

[hsnyder]

Wow thanks for the replies already guys

Okay, so that looks like equal between vh4 and herbert, no mention of einstein. The herbert seems the most designed for this genre, but if its main feature is its ability to achieve "evil" guitar tones, its gonna be in 2nd place behind the axe-fx bogner uberschall. That thing sounds PERFECT for evil stuff. More looking for the percussive and full cleans, some nice smooth cruch tones, and a really fat, meaty sledgehammer tone that lends itself to low tuned mid tempo riffing and to tremolo picking. Again, see amon amarth. Thats the kind of sound I'm most looking for when it comes to the heavies. Second to that of course would be the adam jones-ish sound, for which obviously the VH4 is great. What about the einstein? Hows that channel 1 mode 3 i keep hearing about?

Thanks guys

 

[Peter Diezel]

Welcome

 

[GuitarGuyLP]

I am new to the Diezel brotherhood. I just got my (used) Einstein a couple of weeks ago. I have not played a VH4, Herbert, or Schmidt. There are a lot of videos on youtube that show what the Einstein can do. Here is a couple

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_it6uaDhGI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKxJG0p45Ek

I think that the Einstein is overlooked a lot around here. I have owned a lot of amps over the last few years, and if you like a big fat sound that is clear then the Einstein might be worth a look. You should post where you are located, and see if someone here will let you demo their amp to see if it does what you want. I can nail Chevel tones all day, both clean, and distorted. Channel one can do a great clean, and texas mode is a sound that I have been looking for for quite a while. It can get a real smokey fat big sound that I can play all day. It is perfect for me when I play a clean sound, and want to go to distortion for a part, but don't want a bright sound that is way to common that just doesn't seem to fit. The Einstein is perfect for those moments because it is warm, and fat, and just full of awesome. But nothing compares to spending an hour or so to see if it does what you want it to.

I hope this helps a bit.

 

[King Guitar]

Wow thanks for the replies already guys

Okay, so that looks like equal between vh4 and herbert, no mention of einstein. The herbert seems the most designed for this genre, but if its main feature is its ability to achieve "evil" guitar tones, its gonna be in 2nd place behind the axe-fx bogner uberschall. That thing sounds PERFECT for evil stuff. More looking for the percussive and full cleans, some nice smooth cruch tones, and a really fat, meaty sledgehammer tone that lends itself to low tuned mid tempo riffing and to tremolo picking. Again, see amon amarth. Thats the kind of sound I'm most looking for when it comes to the heavies. Second to that of course would be the adam jones-ish sound, for which obviously the VH4 is great. What about the einstein? Hows that channel 1 mode 3 i keep hearing about?

Thanks guys

Based on this I would think you would want a Schmidt. I played one at NAMM and loved it.

 

[RJF]

Herbert....... perfect clean and everything from there on out as far as gain goes.

 

[PaulyPanacea]

VH4 & Herbert together with the new Diezel FL cab The tits!!

 

[Ventura]

Wow thanks for the replies already guys

Okay, so that looks like equal between vh4 and herbert, no mention of einstein. The herbert seems the most designed for this genre, but if its main feature is its ability to achieve "evil" guitar tones, its gonna be in 2nd place behind the axe-fx bogner uberschall. That thing sounds PERFECT for evil stuff. More looking for the percussive and full cleans, some nice smooth cruch tones, and a really fat, meaty sledgehammer tone that lends itself to low tuned mid tempo riffing and to tremolo picking. Again, see amon amarth. Thats the kind of sound I'm most looking for when it comes to the heavies. Second to that of course would be the adam jones-ish sound, for which obviously the VH4 is great. What about the einstein? Hows that channel 1 mode 3 i keep hearing about?

Thanks guys

I was trying to simplify matters with the talk of 'evil' and the '2' amps in question. Quite honestly, the only way to win 100% of the way is to purchase every Diezel amp available. Simple.

BUT, seeing as we're not all flying around in personal jets and touting Platinum Cards, here's some news... I see you've either played or had experience with the Uberschall. Good. That is a wicked machine and I own a new TJ, love it. OWNING the TJ makes me steer clear of the Herbster (for now), and therefore, own a V. I own the VH4S, but the VH4 is equally awesome, if not even a bit better when simply matched to a 4x12. It has PERCUSSIVE tones. It has SONIC EXCELLENCE. And it has a LOT of variety on it... Einstein, whoa, here we go with the "I best be buying all of them".

If I could only have ONE amp out of the entire Diezel line up, it would be the VH4 or 4S.

Period.

V.

 

[hsnyder]

Quite honestly, the only way to win 100% of the way is to purchase every Diezel amp available.

Some day it'll happen if this band goes anywhere. Some day it will.

OWNING the TJ makes me steer clear of the Herbster (for now), and therefore, own a V.

Thats kinda what I was thinking... but i've heard such good things about the herbert's channel 2 and 1 that I'm not sure if i should eliminate it as an option. I'm not kidding when i say in 10 years i'd like to own at least these three diezels and possibly a schmidt too, but for a "first diezel" next to my axefx, the herbert is starting to look a little bit redundant.

I'm located in Toronto, Canada, so i'm not sure if theres anyone in my vicinity with a diezel.

EDIT: Also thinking about cabs... Truth be told I have no decent cabs now, I'm really in the cab market even sooner than the head market. Which would be more versatile, a FL diezel cab or a bogner ubercab?

 

[King Crimson]

Don't know about the Einstein.

 

[zuel69]

Sometimes your funny instead of mean.

Don't know about the Einstein.

 

[Ventura]

Go Diezel - period.

Tight, articulate and defined, with incredible sonic dynamics - VH4 and VH4S
Looser, more playable and perhaps, more intuitive, but with ball crushing low end and some sweet terrain in between - Herbert.

As for cabinets, with a VH4 or VH4S, go with the FL 4x12 G12K100 and blow yer windows out. If a Herbert, go with a FL 4x12 V30 set up, or maybe an X pattern with G12T75s.

That's it that's all...
V.

 

[gbsmusic]

Your search ends with a Herbert.......

I know mine has!!!!!!!!

 

[hsnyder]

Go Diezel - period.

thats the one thing i'm now 100% sure about

Tight, articulate and defined, with incredible sonic dynamics - VH4 and VH4S
Looser, more playable and perhaps, more intuitive, but with ball crushing low end and some sweet terrain in between - Herbert.

As for cabinets, with a VH4 or VH4S, go with the FL 4x12 G12K100 and blow yer windows out. If a Herbert, go with a FL 4x12 V30 set up, or maybe an X pattern with G12T75s.

Alright... Well i've managed to rule out the herbert for now, since i have the axe-fx's uberschall, and I've decided no einstein yet because of the lack of midi switching. I think its gonna be the VH4.

Thanks very much guys for all your help.

 

[Ventura]

Go Diezel - period.

thats the one thing i'm now 100% sure about

Tight, articulate and defined, with incredible sonic dynamics - VH4 and VH4S
Looser, more playable and perhaps, more intuitive, but with ball crushing low end and some sweet terrain in between - Herbert.

As for cabinets, with a VH4 or VH4S, go with the FL 4x12 G12K100 and blow yer windows out. If a Herbert, go with a FL 4x12 V30 set up, or maybe an X pattern with G12T75s.

Alright... Well i've managed to rule out the herbert for now, since i have the axe-fx's uberschall, and I've decided no einstein yet because of the lack of midi switching. I think its gonna be the VH4.

Thanks very much guys for all your help.

If I were in your shoes, I would have done EXACTLY the same thing. You will LOVE the "V" Good Sir, it kicks sonic ass like none other. And that Uberschall backup tone will sate your semi-Herbert terrain just dandy

Done! And CONGRATS!!!!

V.

PS - and the level of personal, professional customer service is like none other with the Diezel Family, you won't be disappointed...

 

[hsnyder]

awesome, thanks.

Actually supplementary question: how would this vh4 sound if it were paired with a front loaded cab equipped with something absolutely beastly like... electro voice EVM 12L speakers? I'm really looking for as smashing a tone as possible without sacrificing percussive clean sounds.