Some uberschall questions..

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Hello everyone,

So it looks like I finally have enough money for buying a used uberschall.

I never played one but always loved the tone I've heard from it in alot of different samples and videos, it's abit weird to like an amp without playing on it but I just like the uberschall low end and the bogner's slightly compressed overall sweet rich mids with the sweeten highs.

There's a certain tone I'm aiming to and I wanna be sure I'm getting the right uberschall for me, so here are some questions:

1. I read about the differences between the revisions, soundwise, but I couldnt really understand, does the revision blue sound alot more brighter than the regular version?

I like the tone on stone sour, sikth, alice in chains, will one of the ubers wont get into this area? I know I wont go for the twin jet because I'm an el34 guy.

2. I know on some revisions you dont have an fx loop switch? which revisions are having the fx loop button on the footswitch?

3. I've heard that the loop is abit problematic to use without loosing the sound of the amp when being engaged, what's your experience with that?

4. How does the amp sounds in bedroom volumes? I mean, very high bedroom volumes?

5. Is it hard to tweak the amp to work for rhythm\lead playing?

Thanks,
Daniel.
 
Hey Daniel,

Here's a post I found right here on Rig-Talk that helped me alot when I was shopping for my UBER:

viewtopic.php?f=59&t=42833&p=507214&hilit=versions#p507214

I have a Rev Blue

I LOVE MINE!

It definitly takes to boost well.
I run mine with an OD808 in front for clean boost (no drive needed)
I also run a G Major in the effects loop.

It's killer tone. Super thick and brutal, but the gain is all usable.

All the UBERS have footswitchable loops. Rev 1 and 2 don't have a level control. Rev Blue does.

I have no issues with the effects loop. I have it turned all the way up and contol the levels with my G Major. I believe the issue comes in when you try to run pedals. I believe loop is optimized for rack gear.

Sounds great at bedroom volumes. That's one of the great things about this amp. It acutally sounds good at VERY low volumes. It gets even better as you turn it up and let it breathe.

It's also a VERY basic amplifier. I don't care for the clean channel at all. I basically only use the GAIN channel. I use the G Major to do my channel switching via a midi controller. I have a volume boost and effects added to my lead setting.

Hope that helps!

GOOD LUCK!
 
Trippled":2vxjaugl said:
Hello everyone,

So it looks like I finally have enough money for buying a used uberschall.

I never played one but always loved the tone I've heard from it in alot of different samples and videos, it's abit weird to like an amp without playing on it but I just like the uberschall low end and the bogner's slightly compressed overall sweet rich mids with the sweeten highs.

There's a certain tone I'm aiming to and I wanna be sure I'm getting the right uberschall for me, so here are some questions:

1. I read about the differences between the revisions, soundwise, but I couldnt really understand, does the revision blue sound alot more brighter than the regular version?

I like the tone on stone sour, sikth, alice in chains, will one of the ubers wont get into this area? I know I wont go for the twin jet because I'm an el34 guy.

2. I know on some revisions you dont have an fx loop switch? which revisions are having the fx loop button on the footswitch?

3. I've heard that the loop is abit problematic to use without loosing the sound of the amp when being engaged, what's your experience with that?

4. How does the amp sounds in bedroom volumes? I mean, very high bedroom volumes?

5. Is it hard to tweak the amp to work for rhythm\lead playing?

Thanks,
Daniel.
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The Uberschall is an amazing amp! Regarding the FX loop problems, I've had no issues running any pedals or rack gear. The "trick" is to turn the master vol. up higher and keep channel volume under noon. Do this and keep the level control all the way up and you won't have an issue.

Because of the way the preamp is voiced on the Uberschall, bedroom volume sounds amazingly good! Well defined and great tone. As for rhythm / lead playing, I'd imagine the only thing anyone would really need - if even this - is a volume boost in the loop. Your best rhythm settings will likely be your best lead settings!

Regarding the Twin Jet, I personally feel it's the best Uberschall yet when equipped with EL34s. If you're buying used, it's an easy mod to do and absolutely worth it. If you're buying new, you should be able to request this from the factory with no issues. I doubt the tone on the Twin Jet is better than other revisions, but the added flexibility in setup - plus the first channel - makes it totally worth it for me!
 
I also recommend the Twin Jet...it's more versatile, in that you can dial in brighter tones with more cut, or dark tones like those of the previous versions. The master volume controls and the revoiced 1st channel, which adds more of a hot-rodded Marshall tone are what sold me on it. Btw, I, too, prefer 34's in the power section. The mod was pretty simple.
 
Well the question is what do I do with a twin jet if I need a decent clean,
not overdriven, clean channel..?
 
Trippled":11j1c9tv said:
Well the question is what do I do with a twin jet if I need a decent clean,
not overdriven, clean channel..?
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That's easy...just roll the gain back or your volume knob. Works just fine for me either way...
 
And that gives you a totally clean channel?
I know there's a mod that suppouse to miprove that issue but it didnt sound that it completely solves the clean channel thing.
 
Trippled":zi5yjbg7 said:
And that gives you a totally clean channel?
I know there's a mod that suppouse to miprove that issue but it didnt sound that it completely solves the clean channel thing.
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I've heard of people doing fine without the mod. But, yeah, I don't have any problems with the mod...It's not as sparkling as the 20th XTC clean, or a Fender, but it gets the job done...
 
It's not even about the type of the clean, I dont have enough time for lowering the guitar's volume knob, we have instant passges to clean stuff and I have to have a clean channel on the amp.

Do you find the second channel to be aot better sounding than the last revisions?
 
Trippled":30z0yala said:
It's not even about the type of the clean, I dont have enough time for lowering the guitar's volume knob, we have instant passges to clean stuff and I have to have a clean channel on the amp.

Do you find the second channel to be aot better sounding than the last revisions?
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It's tighter and seems to cut better than the Rev. Blue I played...a little less compressed, too. A lot better? I wouldn't go that far, but it suits me better for sure.
 
Can someone do a short recording of TJ's clean aside of the ones that were done?

I'm trying to get a better idea of how the 1st channel sounds on clean settings.

I'm just going to order my first uberschall this month and I wanna make sure TJ's clean

is decent for me.


Thanks everyone,
Daniel.
 
Check YouTube for Tone Merchants - I think there are a couple of vids from TM that display the cleans of the varied Uberschall models.

I would HIGHLY recommend the Twin Jet and yes, there is a mod - I believe a free mod at that - via Bogner, that will clean up the first channel by changing the taper of its gain structure, thereby allowing you true clean, yet no compormise on the dirt/crunch/gain that's usually on tap of the TJ's 1st channel.

Just buy it :D

V.
 
snider":31uurgfj said:
I have had all versions and none have been as cool as the Twin Jet. That is my recommendation.
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Next amp for me.... :rock:
 
Check out this link, this is a promo vid for a song my band recently recorded. The whole song (clean tracks and distorted tracks) were done with my Twin Jet. I do not have the clean mod on my amp, and in addition, I used a Line 6 Pod XT Live in the loop for all of the effects. I have read some people complaining of issues with the loop...but in all honesty I think it works great. In addition, I have played a revision blue Uber which I loved but I prefer the Twin Jet its a little more flexible and I really like the tight bottom end of the KT88's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ICP3NLc5Dk
 
Oh yeah man I saw that, that sounds amazing, I loved your guitar sound there alot,
this really defines how I want a guitar to sound in a mix.
 
I'll be honest, I am the type of guy that gets sick of gear after a couple of months and I always end up selling the old to buy new equipment. With the Twin Jet, I've owned it for about a year now and I love it more than the day I got it. That amp and my ESP Horizon are my two favorite pieces of gear, and they arent going anywhere. I totally recommend the amp, you do have to put the time in to get familiar with the knobs because it is somewhat counter-intuitive but once you learn the amp's sweet spots you will be very happy with it.
 
jcattell":3h2epkv3 said:
I'll be honest, I am the type of guy that gets sick of gear after a couple of months and I always end up selling the old to buy new equipment. With the Twin Jet, I've owned it for about a year now and I love it more than the day I got it. That amp and my ESP Horizon are my two favorite pieces of gear, and they arent going anywhere. I totally recommend the amp, you do have to put the time in to get familiar with the knobs because it is somewhat counter-intuitive but once you learn the amp's sweet spots you will be very happy with it.
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Cool man thank you.

You're sounding like a great band by the way!
 
jcattell":21qxa1hk said:
I'll be honest, I am the type of guy that gets sick of gear after a couple of months and I always end up selling the old to buy new equipment. With the Twin Jet, I've owned it for about a year now and I love it more than the day I got it. That amp and my ESP Horizon are my two favorite pieces of gear, and they arent going anywhere. I totally recommend the amp, you do have to put the time in to get familiar with the knobs because it is somewhat counter-intuitive but once you learn the amp's sweet spots you will be very happy with it.
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Fully agree - counterintuitive is a great way to explain the middle/treble/presence EQ's affect on each other.

Great amp. The KT88's are a good recommendation - huge sound...ridiculously huge.

V.
 
get a twin jet its a sick amp, i liked it alot better than all the other ubers ive played, it actually has a different fell to it compared to the other ubers,that thing used to cut over a drummer like nobodys business....plus i felt the twin jet was a bit more aggressive

i just sold mine cuz i kinda got bored with just having 2 channels, the amp gets really clean and sounds awesome if you throw some pedals on top of it in the loop

heres a vid i did of the clean tones i got with my twin jet....and il post some vids i got doing the BROOTZZZ.....my first channel DID NOT have the clean mod done to it

channel 1 on the twin jet is AMAZING




 
I cant understand people who has to have 3-4 channels in an amp,
I really dont see the point of it unless you're a session player in a cover band.

I mean, you want a lead tone? throw an eq and delay in the loop, you want a mid gain tone?
throw an overdrive pedal infront of the amp or use the 1st channel.

I played the engl invader lately and I gotta say that I couldnt find the 2nd and 4th channels that usefull, it also seemed like each channel is voicved in a very certain way, like there's no way
you'll really get different vibes that sounds good from each channel, and while the amp sounded good after all, it didnt do anything to me and didnt strike me as versatile the way people describe it.

I think my rivera knucklehead reverb was hell of alot more versatile and covered alot more ground than the ENGL, didnt sound as tight though.

To me, if you're bored with a 2 channel amp it probably didnt fit your taste, I cant see anyone throws an amp he loves just because it doesnt have 2 more extra channels.

And like I said before, you can get those extra sounds from a couple of pedals, it all has to do how much you like the amp and it's voicing.
 
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