sometimes o.t. has me....

[WGAF]

Just sayin'...

I'm laughing my ass off at this you hypocrite.

Go look at many threads in the Rig-Talk forum & there's politics there. Have you made your stand in there too?

I think your post is specifically for THE Rig-Talk forum as I can't find it here for the OT. Can you pls show me?

Just Sayin'

Not sure why you take this so personally or feel the need to attack...

It's not being hypocritical to point out that there is a published rule to prevent political and religious posts - even in the Off Topic forum, regardless of where else they may appear. The post in the screenshot is from a "sticky" thread. For whatever reason, "sticky" threads aren't listed at the top of the Off Topic Forum. That doesn't exempt the forum, especially since it specifically lists "Off Topic Forum" in the post banning them. This isn't rocket science...

I'm STILL confused, DO YOU OWN THIS WEBSITE?
Did YOU write the rules and do YOU know the full scope & intent of the rules pertaining to this site?

Has ANYONE from OT gone into where you post in RT to complain about politics even though they're in there too?
Have you done so as they're calling YOU because they have a sticky & OT doesn't. What are you waiting for?

I don't recall voting you in to run my life as I don't run yours.

Personal? Nah, I just don't suffer TROLLS at all.

Use your education & read this post & comprehend it. This should advise you to stop trolling.

Non personal enough for you now?

I do not own the website
But I've been here long enough to watch it go downhill. My opinion is that religion and, more than anything, political posts have sped that process

I did not write the rules. But one exists and couldn't be much clearer. "From now on, we thank our members to exclude any religion or politics talk in all Rig-Talk forums, including in the off-topic forum"
There's not a lot of gray area there and it's not trolling to point it out. I'm not trying to run your life - I have my own to worry about. I do suspect that if the existing rule was upheld, the usefulness of the Off Topic forum and quality of posts would be improved.

We clearly don't agree on this, and that's OK. I'm entitled to my opinion, too. And, I was able to express it without bolded text, enlarged fonts and words in all caps. You know, adult-like

Okay, gloves on.

In 2020 EVERYTHING is political as we can all see. Add to that it's an election year. The entire world is in social & political upheaval.

We see buyers of musical gear hammering & boycotting manufacturers for their political & social views. So you can see, Musicians are NOT exempt from politics today BECAUSE they involve themselves daily anyway.

Site going downhill? Have you considered that rockers are ageing & nothing new is really being spoken of in the main forum? It's continually on hard repeat. Here is a PERFECT example. https://www.rig-talk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=212423

Sites such as twitter, instagram, FB etc continue to grow BECAUSE people want to express their views & be heard. This would include ageing rockers & why they left here maybe?

Having a site that has musicians along with them able to express their views amongst their own kind under the one Domain name could be a good thing?

As you have no doubt seen, nobody goes into the Rig-Talk forum talking about politics etc. Why? Because we DO KNOW NOT TO and we have OT for this. For those NOT wanting politics that's perfectly okay so they can ignore OT & NOT be affected by it in the slightest.

Better to have the opportunity than not to have it. If you take the time to check the OT posts you can see there is music also being spoken of regularly & sadly these posts receive the least responses. I wonder why as it is a music forum afterall isn't it.

Remember, ROCK musician sites are dying off BECAUSE Rock music itself is dying off. Check the gigs and check the charts and check who makes the most money off attendances & sales. It ain't rock music of any kind.

The world has turned and sadly Rock ain't what it once was with the mainstream public.

Okay, let's now have your response & future strategy for RT's ongoing life please. I'm sincerely curious.

BTW: You can see we're actually having harmless fun with our political posts?
It's ALL about wit & one upmanship if you care to actually have a look.

 

[IndyWS6]

Just sayin'...

I'm laughing my ass off at this you hypocrite.

Go look at many threads in the Rig-Talk forum & there's politics there. Have you made your stand in there too?

I think your post is specifically for THE Rig-Talk forum as I can't find it here for the OT. Can you pls show me?

Just Sayin'

Not sure why you take this so personally or feel the need to attack...

It's not being hypocritical to point out that there is a published rule to prevent political and religious posts - even in the Off Topic forum, regardless of where else they may appear. The post in the screenshot is from a "sticky" thread. For whatever reason, "sticky" threads aren't listed at the top of the Off Topic Forum. That doesn't exempt the forum, especially since it specifically lists "Off Topic Forum" in the post banning them. This isn't rocket science...

I'm STILL confused, DO YOU OWN THIS WEBSITE?
Did YOU write the rules and do YOU know the full scope & intent of the rules pertaining to this site?

Has ANYONE from OT gone into where you post in RT to complain about politics even though they're in there too?
Have you done so as they're calling YOU because they have a sticky & OT doesn't. What are you waiting for?

I don't recall voting you in to run my life as I don't run yours.

Personal? Nah, I just don't suffer TROLLS at all.

Use your education & read this post & comprehend it. This should advise you to stop trolling.

Non personal enough for you now?

I do not own the website
But I've been here long enough to watch it go downhill. My opinion is that religion and, more than anything, political posts have sped that process

I did not write the rules. But one exists and couldn't be much clearer. "From now on, we thank our members to exclude any religion or politics talk in all Rig-Talk forums, including in the off-topic forum"
There's not a lot of gray area there and it's not trolling to point it out. I'm not trying to run your life - I have my own to worry about. I do suspect that if the existing rule was upheld, the usefulness of the Off Topic forum and quality of posts would be improved.

We clearly don't agree on this, and that's OK. I'm entitled to my opinion, too. And, I was able to express it without bolded text, enlarged fonts and words in all caps. You know, adult-like

Okay, gloves on.

In 2020 EVEYTHING is political as we can all see. Add to that it's an election year. The entire world is in political upheaval.

We see buyers of musical gear hammering & boycotting manufacturers for their political & social views. So you can see, Musicians are NOT exempt from politics today BECAUSE they involve themselves daily anyway.

Site going downhill? Have you considered that rockers are ageing & nothing new is really being spoken of in the main forum? It's continually on hard repeat.

Sites such as twitter, instagram, FB etc continue to grow BECAUSE people want to express their views & be heard. This would include ageing rockers & why they left here maybe?

Having a site that has musicians along with them able to express their views amongst their own kind under the one Domain name could be a good thing?

As you have no doubt seen, nobody goes into the Rig-Talk forum talking about politics etc. Why? Because we DO KNOW NOT TO and we have OT for this. For those NOT wanting politics that's perfectly okay so they can ignore OT & NOT be affected by it in the slightest.

Better to have the opportunity than not to have it. If you take the time to check the OT posts you can see there is music also being spoken of regularly & sadly these posts receive the least responses. I wonder why as it is a music forum afterall isn't it.

Remember, ROCK musician sites are dying off BECAUSE Rock music itself is dying off. Check the gigs and check the charts and check who makes the most money off attendances & sales. It ain't rock music of any kind.

The world has turned and sadly Rock ain't what it once was with the mainstream public.

Okay, let's now have your response & future strategy for RT's ongoing life please. I'm sincerely curious.

BTW: You can see we're actually having harmless fun with our political posts?
It's ALL about wit & one upmanship if you care to actually have a look.

"Gloves on", seriously? You're the only one fighting...

"Everything is political", "musicians are not exempt", etc. You're not necessarily wrong, but it's completely irrelevant for the point I made (repeatedly), which was that religion and political discussions are expressly forbidden from all forums, including Off Topic. The fact that the rule is not enforced doesn't justify the continued posts of those topics.

"... a site where musician's can express there views..." That might actually provide a useable segregation of the topics. Currently, it doesn't exist. Consequently, there should be no religious or political posts in any forum.

"...harmless fun..." Maybe, but it's irrelevant. It's a guitar/amp/gear site. There are any number of places where you can discuss religion and politics. It doesn't add value here and frequently leads to arguments and personal attacks. It also overshadows what used to be interesting "off" topics (cars, collectibles, other hobbies, etc.). The entire page is typically filled with political BS.

As stated, I don't run the place. I just wish the place was run according to the posted rules. Too many people with valuable knowledge (and their associated camaraderie) have left because it's used for religion and politics threads instead of guitars and gear (among other reasons)

Just my .02. Carry on...

 

[WGAF]

Just sayin'...

I'm laughing my ass off at this you hypocrite.

Go look at many threads in the Rig-Talk forum & there's politics there. Have you made your stand in there too?

I think your post is specifically for THE Rig-Talk forum as I can't find it here for the OT. Can you pls show me?

Just Sayin'

Not sure why you take this so personally or feel the need to attack...

It's not being hypocritical to point out that there is a published rule to prevent political and religious posts - even in the Off Topic forum, regardless of where else they may appear. The post in the screenshot is from a "sticky" thread. For whatever reason, "sticky" threads aren't listed at the top of the Off Topic Forum. That doesn't exempt the forum, especially since it specifically lists "Off Topic Forum" in the post banning them. This isn't rocket science...

I'm STILL confused, DO YOU OWN THIS WEBSITE?
Did YOU write the rules and do YOU know the full scope & intent of the rules pertaining to this site?

Has ANYONE from OT gone into where you post in RT to complain about politics even though they're in there too?
Have you done so as they're calling YOU because they have a sticky & OT doesn't. What are you waiting for?

I don't recall voting you in to run my life as I don't run yours.

Personal? Nah, I just don't suffer TROLLS at all.

Use your education & read this post & comprehend it. This should advise you to stop trolling.

Non personal enough for you now?

I do not own the website
But I've been here long enough to watch it go downhill. My opinion is that religion and, more than anything, political posts have sped that process

I did not write the rules. But one exists and couldn't be much clearer. "From now on, we thank our members to exclude any religion or politics talk in all Rig-Talk forums, including in the off-topic forum"
There's not a lot of gray area there and it's not trolling to point it out. I'm not trying to run your life - I have my own to worry about. I do suspect that if the existing rule was upheld, the usefulness of the Off Topic forum and quality of posts would be improved.

We clearly don't agree on this, and that's OK. I'm entitled to my opinion, too. And, I was able to express it without bolded text, enlarged fonts and words in all caps. You know, adult-like

Okay, gloves on.

In 2020 EVEYTHING is political as we can all see. Add to that it's an election year. The entire world is in political upheaval.

We see buyers of musical gear hammering & boycotting manufacturers for their political & social views. So you can see, Musicians are NOT exempt from politics today BECAUSE they involve themselves daily anyway.

Site going downhill? Have you considered that rockers are ageing & nothing new is really being spoken of in the main forum? It's continually on hard repeat.

Sites such as twitter, instagram, FB etc continue to grow BECAUSE people want to express their views & be heard. This would include ageing rockers & why they left here maybe?

Having a site that has musicians along with them able to express their views amongst their own kind under the one Domain name could be a good thing?

As you have no doubt seen, nobody goes into the Rig-Talk forum talking about politics etc. Why? Because we DO KNOW NOT TO and we have OT for this. For those NOT wanting politics that's perfectly okay so they can ignore OT & NOT be affected by it in the slightest.

Better to have the opportunity than not to have it. If you take the time to check the OT posts you can see there is music also being spoken of regularly & sadly these posts receive the least responses. I wonder why as it is a music forum afterall isn't it.

Remember, ROCK musician sites are dying off BECAUSE Rock music itself is dying off. Check the gigs and check the charts and check who makes the most money off attendances & sales. It ain't rock music of any kind.

The world has turned and sadly Rock ain't what it once was with the mainstream public.

Okay, let's now have your response & future strategy for RT's ongoing life please. I'm sincerely curious.

BTW: You can see we're actually having harmless fun with our political posts?
It's ALL about wit & one upmanship if you care to actually have a look.

"Gloves on", seriously? You're the only one fighting...

"Everything is political", "musicians are not exempt", etc. You're not necessarily wrong, but it's completely irrelevant for the point I made (repeatedly), which was that religion and political discussions are expressly forbidden from all forums, including Off Topic. The fact that the rule is not enforced doesn't justify the continued posts of those topics.

"... a site where musician's can express there views..." That might actually provide a useable segregation of the topics. Currently, it doesn't exist. Consequently, there should be no religious or political posts in any forum.

"...harmless fun..." Maybe, but it's irrelevant. It's a guitar/amp/gear site. There are any number of places where you can discuss religion and politics. It doesn't add value here and frequently leads to arguments and personal attacks. It also overshadows what used to be interesting "off" topics (cars, collectibles, other hobbies, etc.). The entire page is typically filled with political BS.

As stated, I don't run the place. I just wish the place was run according to the posted rules. Too many people with valuable knowledge (and their associated camaraderie) have left because it's used for religion and politics threads instead of guitars and gear (among other reasons)

Just my .02. Carry on...

Okay, what we need is the mods to say their piece so everyone knows the 'actual intended' rules.

Can you please contact them today & request they publicise their position today?

From what I've read & understood from you is, so long as the owners state their position clearly & concisely you'll be okay with whatever that is? I know when they do I'll be okay either way & fully comply with their position. I respect that they own the site.

You may want to take your blinkers completely off & read my above entire post again as it's about reality today & not your desired Utopia.

I will also take it you do speak for everyone on the site with your request.

Hard Repeat, Hard Repeat, Hard Repeat, Hard Repeat, Hard Repeat, Hard Repeat, Hard Repeat, Hard Repeat,

 

[IndyWS6]

Just sayin'...

I'm laughing my ass off at this you hypocrite.

Go look at many threads in the Rig-Talk forum & there's politics there. Have you made your stand in there too?

I think your post is specifically for THE Rig-Talk forum as I can't find it here for the OT. Can you pls show me?

Just Sayin'

Not sure why you take this so personally or feel the need to attack...

It's not being hypocritical to point out that there is a published rule to prevent political and religious posts - even in the Off Topic forum, regardless of where else they may appear. The post in the screenshot is from a "sticky" thread. For whatever reason, "sticky" threads aren't listed at the top of the Off Topic Forum. That doesn't exempt the forum, especially since it specifically lists "Off Topic Forum" in the post banning them. This isn't rocket science...

I'm STILL confused, DO YOU OWN THIS WEBSITE?
Did YOU write the rules and do YOU know the full scope & intent of the rules pertaining to this site?

Has ANYONE from OT gone into where you post in RT to complain about politics even though they're in there too?
Have you done so as they're calling YOU because they have a sticky & OT doesn't. What are you waiting for?

I don't recall voting you in to run my life as I don't run yours.

Personal? Nah, I just don't suffer TROLLS at all.

Use your education & read this post & comprehend it. This should advise you to stop trolling.

Non personal enough for you now?

I do not own the website
But I've been here long enough to watch it go downhill. My opinion is that religion and, more than anything, political posts have sped that process

I did not write the rules. But one exists and couldn't be much clearer. "From now on, we thank our members to exclude any religion or politics talk in all Rig-Talk forums, including in the off-topic forum"
There's not a lot of gray area there and it's not trolling to point it out. I'm not trying to run your life - I have my own to worry about. I do suspect that if the existing rule was upheld, the usefulness of the Off Topic forum and quality of posts would be improved.

We clearly don't agree on this, and that's OK. I'm entitled to my opinion, too. And, I was able to express it without bolded text, enlarged fonts and words in all caps. You know, adult-like

Okay, gloves on.

In 2020 EVEYTHING is political as we can all see. Add to that it's an election year. The entire world is in political upheaval.

We see buyers of musical gear hammering & boycotting manufacturers for their political & social views. So you can see, Musicians are NOT exempt from politics today BECAUSE they involve themselves daily anyway.

Site going downhill? Have you considered that rockers are ageing & nothing new is really being spoken of in the main forum? It's continually on hard repeat.

Sites such as twitter, instagram, FB etc continue to grow BECAUSE people want to express their views & be heard. This would include ageing rockers & why they left here maybe?

Having a site that has musicians along with them able to express their views amongst their own kind under the one Domain name could be a good thing?

As you have no doubt seen, nobody goes into the Rig-Talk forum talking about politics etc. Why? Because we DO KNOW NOT TO and we have OT for this. For those NOT wanting politics that's perfectly okay so they can ignore OT & NOT be affected by it in the slightest.

Better to have the opportunity than not to have it. If you take the time to check the OT posts you can see there is music also being spoken of regularly & sadly these posts receive the least responses. I wonder why as it is a music forum afterall isn't it.

Remember, ROCK musician sites are dying off BECAUSE Rock music itself is dying off. Check the gigs and check the charts and check who makes the most money off attendances & sales. It ain't rock music of any kind.

The world has turned and sadly Rock ain't what it once was with the mainstream public.

Okay, let's now have your response & future strategy for RT's ongoing life please. I'm sincerely curious.

BTW: You can see we're actually having harmless fun with our political posts?
It's ALL about wit & one upmanship if you care to actually have a look.

"Gloves on", seriously? You're the only one fighting...

"Everything is political", "musicians are not exempt", etc. You're not necessarily wrong, but it's completely irrelevant for the point I made (repeatedly), which was that religion and political discussions are expressly forbidden from all forums, including Off Topic. The fact that the rule is not enforced doesn't justify the continued posts of those topics.

"... a site where musician's can express there views..." That might actually provide a useable segregation of the topics. Currently, it doesn't exist. Consequently, there should be no religious or political posts in any forum.

"...harmless fun..." Maybe, but it's irrelevant. It's a guitar/amp/gear site. There are any number of places where you can discuss religion and politics. It doesn't add value here and frequently leads to arguments and personal attacks. It also overshadows what used to be interesting "off" topics (cars, collectibles, other hobbies, etc.). The entire page is typically filled with political BS.

As stated, I don't run the place. I just wish the place was run according to the posted rules. Too many people with valuable knowledge (and their associated camaraderie) have left because it's used for religion and politics threads instead of guitars and gear (among other reasons)

Just my .02. Carry on...

Okay, what we need is the mods to say their piece so everyone knows the 'actual intended' rules.

From what I've read & understood from you is, so long as the owners state their position clearly & concisely you'll be okay with whatever that is? I know when they do I'll be okay either way & fully comply with their position. I respect that they own the site.

You may want to take your blinkers completely off & read my above entire post again as it's about reality today & not your desired Utopia.

I will also take it you do speak for everyone on the site with your request.

Hard Repeat, Hard Repeat, Hard Repeat, Hard Repeat, Hard Repeat, Hard Repeat, Hard Repeat, Hard Repeat,

No offense, but the mods don't make the rules; they are supposed to enforce them. The owners make the rules and they are (presumably) stated through "Psycom", who posted the "no religion/politics" thread. The fact that the mods don't purge those topics like they should based on the "psycom" post doesn't mean that they are allowed. It just means the mods aren't enforcing the posted rules and the owners don't care. So be it...

If the rules said "no religion or politics threads anywhere but the Off Topic forum" (or something like that), I'm on board. I'll simply stay away from Off Topic. However, if someone chooses to allow them, I like your suggestion of a separate forum. It's nice to have an Off Topic area for discussions where you don't have to wade through to find something other than religion and politics.

I don't have "blinkers" on (or "blinders") and I don't have a utopian view. I'm also firmly rooted in reality. I would simply prefer that the site wasn't polluted with political threads. This is a place to discuss guitars and gear and a way to remove yourself from the daily crap. In my opinion, it adds no value here and it takes away from the primary focus.

I don't speak for everyone on the site and never claimed that. I speak for myself. I simply pointed out the rules - that aren't being followed - and expressed my belief that the lack of moderation is one reason this place has gone downhill. To be clear, I'm not trying to rag on the mods - that has to be a thankless job. You can disagree with me on whether religion and politics has a place on a guitar forum, but you really can't argue the rules. It's black and white and they aren't being enforced. As mentioned, if they change, I'll play along because it's not my site.

I've said my peace and I am fully aware that it won't change anything. Carry on as you see fit...

 

[WGAF]

No offense, but the mods don't make the rules; they are supposed to enforce them. The owners make the rules and they are (presumably) stated through "Psycom", who posted the "no religion/politics" thread. The fact that the mods don't purge those topics like they should based on the "psycom" post doesn't mean that they are allowed. It just means the mods aren't enforcing the posted rules and the owners don't care. So be it...

If the rules said "no religion or politics threads anywhere but the Off Topic forum" (or something like that), I'm on board. I'll simply stay away from Off Topic. However, if someone chooses to allow them, I like your suggestion of a separate forum. It's nice to have an Off Topic area for discussions where you don't have to wade through to find something other than religion and politics.

I don't have "blinkers" on (or "blinders") and I don't have a utopian view. I'm also firmly rooted in reality. I would simply prefer that the site wasn't polluted with political threads. This is a place to discuss guitars and gear and a way to remove yourself from the daily crap. In my opinion, it adds no value here and it takes away from the primary focus.

I don't speak for everyone on the site and never claimed that. I speak for myself. I simply pointed out the rules - that aren't being followed - and expressed my belief that the lack of moderation is one reason this place has gone downhill. To be clear, I'm not trying to rag on the mods - that has to be a thankless job. You can disagree with me on whether religion and politics has a place on a guitar forum, but you really can't argue the rules. It's black and white and they aren't being enforced. As mentioned, if they change, I'll play along because it's not my site.

I've said my peace and I am fully aware that it won't change anything. Carry on as you see fit...

Just to confirm with you, you read through all the posts on OT & you found nothing musical that was new to you or interested you?
The Caswell thread the DLR threads etc...?

You believe all the threads on OT are poison to the overall site? In fact, having no OT whatsoever would be good for the site because you guys don't post in it anyway? Why not JOIN in & learn something new & actually have a laugh as that's EXACTLY what it's about, shits & giggles.

If you post something new & interesting musically in OT I'll gladly chime in with comments & support. Give it a try & see how it all feels.
It's gotta be better than how you're feeling about it all now.



BTW: Here is a friendly reminder of only 'one' thread over in Rig-Talk right now that's political. There's many more if you check.
https://www.rig-talk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=212387

I couldn't help myself, here's another RT thread just to give the above a little more weight.
https://www.rig-talk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=212333&start=0

 

[IndyWS6]

No offense, but the mods don't make the rules; they are supposed to enforce them. The owners make the rules and they are (presumably) stated through "Psycom", who posted the "no religion/politics" thread. The fact that the mods don't purge those topics like they should based on the "psycom" post doesn't mean that they are allowed. It just means the mods aren't enforcing the posted rules and the owners don't care. So be it...

If the rules said "no religion or politics threads anywhere but the Off Topic forum" (or something like that), I'm on board. I'll simply stay away from Off Topic. However, if someone chooses to allow them, I like your suggestion of a separate forum. It's nice to have an Off Topic area for discussions where you don't have to wade through to find something other than religion and politics.

I don't have "blinkers" on (or "blinders") and I don't have a utopian view. I'm also firmly rooted in reality. I would simply prefer that the site wasn't polluted with political threads. This is a place to discuss guitars and gear and a way to remove yourself from the daily crap. In my opinion, it adds no value here and it takes away from the primary focus.

I don't speak for everyone on the site and never claimed that. I speak for myself. I simply pointed out the rules - that aren't being followed - and expressed my belief that the lack of moderation is one reason this place has gone downhill. To be clear, I'm not trying to rag on the mods - that has to be a thankless job. You can disagree with me on whether religion and politics has a place on a guitar forum, but you really can't argue the rules. It's black and white and they aren't being enforced. As mentioned, if they change, I'll play along because it's not my site.

I've said my peace and I am fully aware that it won't change anything. Carry on as you see fit...

Just to confirm with you, you read through all the posts on OT & you found nothing musical that was new to you or interested you?
The Caswell thread the DLR threads etc...?

You believe all the threads on OT are poison to the overall site? In fact, having no OT whatsoever would be good for the site because you guys don't post in it anyway? Why not JOIN in & learn something new & actually have a laugh as that's EXACTLY what it's about, shits & giggles.

If you post something new & interesting musically in OT I'll gladly chime in with comments & support. Give it a try & see how it all feels.
It's gotta be better than how you're feeling about it all now.



BTW: Here is a friendly reminder of only 'one' thread over in Rig-Talk right now that's political. There's many more if you check.
https://www.rig-talk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=212387

I feel like I was extremely clear, but you've misrepresented my points...

No. I didn't read through all of the post in OT. But, glancing at the topics, the majority of them are political and those don't interest me. There have been a few more non-political posts lately and I've looked at a few. I made a mental note of the DLR thread because I agree that he was better solo (good songs/great musicians). Once I revisit some of the linked videos, maybe Ill add a comment or two...

I don't believe that all of the threads in OT are poison to the site - just religion and politics. And, "poison" is not the word I'd use. I've mentioned several times that I don't think they add any value to a guitar/gear forum. Also, I never said we shouldn't have an OT. In fact, I said that I liked it and it was a nice diversion, especially when there were a number of topics other that politics.

If I have something that I think would be of interest in OT, I have no problem posting it. The recent history is that everything on page one is political and everything else gets lost in the mix. With that type of singular mindset, it seems somewhat pointless

 

[WGAF]

No offense, but the mods don't make the rules; they are supposed to enforce them. The owners make the rules and they are (presumably) stated through "Psycom", who posted the "no religion/politics" thread. The fact that the mods don't purge those topics like they should based on the "psycom" post doesn't mean that they are allowed. It just means the mods aren't enforcing the posted rules and the owners don't care. So be it...

If the rules said "no religion or politics threads anywhere but the Off Topic forum" (or something like that), I'm on board. I'll simply stay away from Off Topic. However, if someone chooses to allow them, I like your suggestion of a separate forum. It's nice to have an Off Topic area for discussions where you don't have to wade through to find something other than religion and politics.

I don't have "blinkers" on (or "blinders") and I don't have a utopian view. I'm also firmly rooted in reality. I would simply prefer that the site wasn't polluted with political threads. This is a place to discuss guitars and gear and a way to remove yourself from the daily crap. In my opinion, it adds no value here and it takes away from the primary focus.

I don't speak for everyone on the site and never claimed that. I speak for myself. I simply pointed out the rules - that aren't being followed - and expressed my belief that the lack of moderation is one reason this place has gone downhill. To be clear, I'm not trying to rag on the mods - that has to be a thankless job. You can disagree with me on whether religion and politics has a place on a guitar forum, but you really can't argue the rules. It's black and white and they aren't being enforced. As mentioned, if they change, I'll play along because it's not my site.

I've said my peace and I am fully aware that it won't change anything. Carry on as you see fit...

Just to confirm with you, you read through all the posts on OT & you found nothing musical that was new to you or interested you?
The Caswell thread the DLR threads etc...?

You believe all the threads on OT are poison to the overall site? In fact, having no OT whatsoever would be good for the site because you guys don't post in it anyway? Why not JOIN in & learn something new & actually have a laugh as that's EXACTLY what it's about, shits & giggles.

If you post something new & interesting musically in OT I'll gladly chime in with comments & support. Give it a try & see how it all feels.
It's gotta be better than how you're feeling about it all now.



BTW: Here is a friendly reminder of only 'one' thread over in Rig-Talk right now that's political. There's many more if you check.
https://www.rig-talk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=212387

I feel like I was extremely clear, but you've misrepresented my points...

No. I didn't read through all of the post in OT. But, glancing at the topics, the majority of them are political and those don't interest me. There have been a few more non-political posts lately and I've looked at a few. I made a mental note of the DLR thread because I agree that he was better solo (good songs/great musicians). Once I revisit some of the linked videos, maybe Ill add a comment or two...

I don't believe that all of the threads in OT are poison to the site - just religion and politics. And, "poison" is not the word I'd use. I've mentioned several times that I don't think they add any value to a guitar/gear forum. Also, I never said we shouldn't have an OT. In fact, I said that I liked it and it was a nice diversion, especially when there were a number of topics other that politics.

If I have something that I think would be of interest in OT, I have no problem posting it. The recent history is that everything on page one is political and everything else gets lost in the mix. With that type of singular mindset, it seems somewhat pointless

You're still generalising because you need to look at all the topics to be accurate with your response & position. You may see the thread title as political but deep diving it morphs to many things & just not political.

Your handle profile says your an Analyst? Start deep diving them.

I can see that the cooking thread in OT was a favorite of yours. So OT serves you mostly in recent times with only that. A very narrow view indeed.

I can also see you use the classifieds quite a bit too. Where do you actually post a lot in the musical forum because I saw a few from you where you were only trying to control the site requesting mod assistance a couple of times.

Can I suggest that maybe you create some threads and attempt to contribute to the site instead of using it, mostly.

I too am sick of the back & forth with you. Embrace what's really going on here because if you do actually analyse it all, the site is riddled with politics & you really don't use it all that much these days anyway.

Open eyes, open heart, open mind & open honesty.

 

[IndyWS6]

No offense, but the mods don't make the rules; they are supposed to enforce them. The owners make the rules and they are (presumably) stated through "Psycom", who posted the "no religion/politics" thread. The fact that the mods don't purge those topics like they should based on the "psycom" post doesn't mean that they are allowed. It just means the mods aren't enforcing the posted rules and the owners don't care. So be it...

If the rules said "no religion or politics threads anywhere but the Off Topic forum" (or something like that), I'm on board. I'll simply stay away from Off Topic. However, if someone chooses to allow them, I like your suggestion of a separate forum. It's nice to have an Off Topic area for discussions where you don't have to wade through to find something other than religion and politics.

I don't have "blinkers" on (or "blinders") and I don't have a utopian view. I'm also firmly rooted in reality. I would simply prefer that the site wasn't polluted with political threads. This is a place to discuss guitars and gear and a way to remove yourself from the daily crap. In my opinion, it adds no value here and it takes away from the primary focus.

I don't speak for everyone on the site and never claimed that. I speak for myself. I simply pointed out the rules - that aren't being followed - and expressed my belief that the lack of moderation is one reason this place has gone downhill. To be clear, I'm not trying to rag on the mods - that has to be a thankless job. You can disagree with me on whether religion and politics has a place on a guitar forum, but you really can't argue the rules. It's black and white and they aren't being enforced. As mentioned, if they change, I'll play along because it's not my site.

I've said my peace and I am fully aware that it won't change anything. Carry on as you see fit...

Just to confirm with you, you read through all the posts on OT & you found nothing musical that was new to you or interested you?
The Caswell thread the DLR threads etc...?

You believe all the threads on OT are poison to the overall site? In fact, having no OT whatsoever would be good for the site because you guys don't post in it anyway? Why not JOIN in & learn something new & actually have a laugh as that's EXACTLY what it's about, shits & giggles.

If you post something new & interesting musically in OT I'll gladly chime in with comments & support. Give it a try & see how it all feels.
It's gotta be better than how you're feeling about it all now.



BTW: Here is a friendly reminder of only 'one' thread over in Rig-Talk right now that's political. There's many more if you check.
https://www.rig-talk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=212387

I feel like I was extremely clear, but you've misrepresented my points...

No. I didn't read through all of the post in OT. But, glancing at the topics, the majority of them are political and those don't interest me. There have been a few more non-political posts lately and I've looked at a few. I made a mental note of the DLR thread because I agree that he was better solo (good songs/great musicians). Once I revisit some of the linked videos, maybe Ill add a comment or two...

I don't believe that all of the threads in OT are poison to the site - just religion and politics. And, "poison" is not the word I'd use. I've mentioned several times that I don't think they add any value to a guitar/gear forum. Also, I never said we shouldn't have an OT. In fact, I said that I liked it and it was a nice diversion, especially when there were a number of topics other that politics.

If I have something that I think would be of interest in OT, I have no problem posting it. The recent history is that everything on page one is political and everything else gets lost in the mix. With that type of singular mindset, it seems somewhat pointless

You're still generalising because you need to look at all the topics to be accurate with your response & position. You may see the thread title as political but deep diving it morphs to many things & just not political.

Your handle profile says your an Analyst? Start deep diving them.

I can see that the cooking thread in OT was a favorite of yours. So OT serves you mostly in recent times with only that. A very narrow view indeed.

I can also see you use the classifieds quite a bit too. Where do you actually post a lot in the musical forum because I saw a few from you where you were only trying to control the site requesting mod assistance a couple of times.

Can I suggest that maybe you create some threads and attempt to contribute to the site instead of using it, mostly.

I too am sick of the back & forth with you. Embrace what's really going on here because if you do actually analyse it all, the site is riddled with politics & you really don't use it all that much these days anyway.

It took forever, but you finally connected the dots...

 

[WGAF]

It took forever, but you finally connected the dots...

It took forever because with manners I indulged you, that's what decent people do.

You've confirmed you're bereft of any such thing.

 

[lester]

Fucking Indy again....(facepalm)
I guess he's not gonna be happy until this forum is as dull as he is.
I could probably make the case that it's HIS showing up here is what drove all the "super helpful monster players" and the "comraderie" away not his imaginary stumbling upon a couple political posts.
The dude's a living breathing Schleprock

 

[WGAF]

Fucking Indy again....(facepalm)
I guess he's not gonna be happy until this forum is as dull as he is.
I could probably make the case that it's HIS showing up here is what drove all the "super helpful monster players" and the "comraderie" away not his imaginary stumbling upon a couple political posts.
The dude's a living breathing Schleprock

Thanks Lester.

Being the day after speaking with Indy & upon reflection I've determined he is a complete & utter loser + a troll cocksucker.

Only a total misfit loser would behave as he does. He's probably still being breastfed by his mother I suspect.

Indy? Nah, Imbecilic Loser more like it.

 

[JackBootedThug]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IadX9brJ_NQ

 

[WGAF]

Perfect !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Monkey Man]

That's harsh, man.