SPEAKER PREFRENCES

peter_traj

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Hey guys,
i thought i would start thread about which speakers compliment the Egnater heads. I have a Marshall 1922 cab with 2 x 12 stock speakers--doesn't sound the best to my ears though. Some people recommend changing to Celestion vintage 30's. What do you guys prefer???
 
I have a mesa 4x12 with vintage 30's, but i've recently changed to a custom built Matamp 4x12 with 2 vintage 30's and 2 hot 100's in an X pattern, sounds amazing!
 
peter_traj":34k48irx said:
Hey guys,
i thought i would start thread about which speakers compliment the Egnater heads. I have a Marshall 1922 cab with 2 x 12 stock speakers--doesn't sound the best to my ears though. Some people recommend changing to Celestion vintage 30's. What do you guys prefer???

IMO, you should get a different cab, and try the speakers you have. The 1922 is very small, and I don't think they use plywood in that model. I could be wrong, but I think the walls of the 1922 are MDF (particle board). Lopoline and Avatar sell very reasonably priced, unloaded 2x12's.

I happen to LOVE the G12T75's.

I happen to HATE the Vintage 30's. I mean HATE!!!

Vintage 30's work okay with Diezels, Engls, and Framuses, but damn do they suck for real amps that have a midrange (like Egnaters)

This is all opinion, of course.
 
I have been through the following.

Weber G1265 clone (can't remember the model #)
Tone Tubby Ceramic
Eminence Tone Spotter
Eminence Cannibas Rex
Eminence Swamp Thing
Celestion V30
Mesa Balck Shadow 90
Celestion CL-80
Celstion G12-65 (old ones)
Eminence GB12

The Eminence GB 12 has the best characteristics of my favotires. It ends up being a G12-65 with some nice low end like a Classic Lead 80 and it has that Celestion Green Back sizzle on the top that breaks up nicely.

The G12-65 is still in my 1X12 cab shown under my Rebel in the other thread. The Classic Lead 80 is a great speaker, I would consider that one seriously.
 
I love V30s, but that's just me... Sometimes people complain about an upper mid peak, solo'd, but in a BAND context, they cut perfectly.

I don't want to speak for him, but I think Matt's tone has improved tremendously since he switched to a 2x12 with V30s, instead of the Classic Lead 80.

I can see the Classic lead 80 working well if you're the only guitar player in the band, or if BOTH people use that speaker. But the CL80 and V30 are voiced SO differently, i feel like they never meshed well.

+1 on Avatar. GREAT speaker cabinets, REALLY cheap... Of course, a matching Eggy cab is the best choice, but you can find a great black and wheat Avatar cab for around $250 that'll really get the job done.
 
Im with Nick on this one. LOVE the v30s in my Egnater 2x12. No tone bras either. I could see how some think they may be harsh alone, but in a loud mix they carve out their space.
 
I'd like to try some Celestion Golds someday.

I love the sound of Celestion Blues, and the Golds are supposed to be that
at the 50 w power handling.

Only problem is you could probably pick up a Rebel for the price of two Golds.

Anybody play their rig through these?
 
Guitar Slinger wrote
IMO, you should get a different cab, and try the speakers you have. The 1922 is very small, and I don't think they use plywood in that model. I could be wrong, but I think the walls of the 1922 are MDF (particle board).

Do you think that the MDF is vibrating and adding to the sound?
i hear that expensive HI-FI speaker enclousures are reinforsed to the max and filled with acoustic blankets to dampen "the sound of the box". Do you think this would be critical with a guitar cab though?

Cheers
 
AdamB":2jtvjjh5 said:
I have a mesa 4x12 with vintage 30's, but i've recently changed to a custom built Matamp 4x12 with 2 vintage 30's and 2 hot 100's in an X pattern, sounds amazing!

I find this combination interesting............

What type of music does this combination cover best?
 
I know a few others have said it before, but the Warehouse 30's sound very good with the Eggie gear--the upper mid spike is softened up a bit.
I do like the V30's overall but in the right cabinet with the right grill cloth. Cabs with an open weave (Marshall) or metal fronts just sound nasally and nasty whereas cabs ( like the Egnater's and Avatars) with the thicker tight weave grille cloth sound very full and nice. I've also had good results with the EVM-12L.
 
muudrock":deziso00 said:
I know a few others have said it before, but the Warehouse 30's sound very good with the Eggie gear--the upper mid spike is softened up a bit.
I do like the V30's overall but in the right cabinet with the right grill cloth. Cabs with an open weave (Marshall) or metal fronts just sound nasally and nasty whereas cabs ( like the Egnater's and Avatars) with the thicker tight weave grille cloth sound very full and nice. I've also had good results with the EVM-12L.

I got some G12-K100 Celestions in both my Eggie 1x12's and man they kill :). They are still getting broken in, but damn...they are pretty killer. Take a G12-T75's muscular tone, add some mids back in, and smooth the upper mids and highs to be less aggressive. Very chimey on cleans, very punchy and warm w/ the SL and COD, and aggressive like a G12-T75 on heavy stuff, but with more mids. The low end punch is still coming around as I only have about 5 hours on them. They are starting to loosen up and get punchier and punchier. Comparing them to my oversized Marshall 4x12 w/ T75's they definitely have a really good growl and punch to them, still retain most of the aggressiveness, yet really does a better job with some of the mid-gain modules even more than the T75s do. (And I LOVE my T75s :) ). I can see why there are a lot of people that are starting to move towards the K100's from the T75s. I am definitely going to be trying these speakers out in my Ear Candy Buzzbomb cab, whenever I get it.

It has some of the mid-range characteristics of my G12-65, with more punch and high end chime of the T75's without the mid-range drop off of the T75's. It's a really well voiced speaker that sounds good at all volumes. For me, compared to the Green Machine and Sugarcones from Ear Candy, it sounds so much better. The Sugarcones really have to be pushed hard to sound good. At low volumes they were very fizzy with high gain modules. Clean stuff sounded amazing with the Sugars, and lower gain modules sounded amazing too. Higher gain stuff had this fizziness in the high end that bugged the hell out of me. The Green Machines sound good when you crank the amp too. But they suffer the same issue as the Sugarcone (for me at least) that at lower volumes they lose their muscularness.

The Celestion T75s and K100s don't do that for me. They sound great at both lower and higher volumes.

On another note, the G12-65s from Warehouse speakers are REALLY good. I compared them to the heritage G12-65s and I honestly will say the Warehouse speakers were a very faithful reproduction of them, and are much cheaper! On the V30 front, I highly recommend the Warehouse V30 for those who don't like V30's normally, because they have the "upper midrange bump" decreased some, and I feel it fits even better in mixes w/ it like that.

I do have an open back 2x12 avatar speaker cab w/ the Warehouse speakers Alnico black and blues, and I will have to say...the VX module sounds amazing with it :). I am going to move those speakers into my closed back 2x12 and try them there to see how they sound. I like the open back, but I think they can sound even better w/ a closed back :).
 
aeroic":1yhrj57x said:
muudrock":1yhrj57x said:
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I do have an open back 2x12 avatar speaker cab w/ the Warehouse speakers Alnico black and blues, and I will have to say...the VX module sounds amazing with it :). I am going to move those speakers into my closed back 2x12 and try them there to see how they sound. I like the open back, but I think they can sound even better w/ a closed back :).

are you saying you have one black and one blue together? for my vox would you suggest that or 2 blues for that famous vox smooth chime etc.

also yeah that fizzy sound with my seminar head and GC 4x12 with v30 does bug me unless its louder. do you think the K100,s would work well with Classic rock?
:thumbsup:
 
marvcus":bvyyoa70 said:
I'd like to try some Celestion Golds someday.

I love the sound of Celestion Blues, and the Golds are supposed to be that
at the 50 w power handling.

Only problem is you could probably pick up a Rebel for the price of two Golds.

Anybody play their rig through these?

I have a bunch of Alnico Blues and Alnico Golds, great speakers in different cabinets. As to the Gold sounding identical to the Blue, it's close, say 98%. The Gold's upper bloom is not as smooth as the Blue's, but it better than any other speaker I've found. I use them as my baseline now and once you go Alnico Blue/Gold it's hard to no want to use them in everything.

The only exceptions I have found to this is if you are playing 7 string or low tunings, with those I personally like the way ceramic based speakers sound, such as the Electro Voice EVM12L and the other is vintage amps, like Fenders and Gibsons, there I go with Weber Alnico speakers.

TheGrooveking

TheGrooveking
 
I feel like I am constantly messing around with speakers, and feel like I still haven't found a single speaker that handles a good range of tones I want to throw at it. I feel married to my amps, but the speakers are more medium- to short-term affairs. :)

In addition to the speakers in my combos, I've had various Celestians in Randall 4x12s and a Marshall 1960a (oh, and a crappy pair of ADA 2x12s), then a bunch of Eminence speakers in Earcandy 1x12 and 2x12 enclosures. Didn't love them all in the morning. At present, I have a Port City 4x12 coming loaded with the new Jensen alnico Blackbirds that Daniel at Port City recommended. he claims it to be his desert island speaker, but they are reaaaally expensive. Something like $225 retail! I'll post when I break her in.

To state the obvious, in the end, it is really hard to take speaker advice from people (who all have different tastes in styles and tones) because it is the final highly reactive stage of a chain of interdependent variables - that is ultimately highly subjective. It is entirely possible for a guy who hates V30s on distorted rock tones in cab A to hear them blind in cab B with another amp head and think they are the best thing he ever heard... :doh:
 
John Czajkowski":1m0hrb70 said:
I feel like I am constantly messing around with speakers, and feel like I still haven't found a single speaker that handles a good range of tones I want to throw at it. I feel married to my amps, but the speakers are more medium- to short-term affairs. :)

In addition to the speakers in my combos, I've had various Celestians in Randall 4x12s and a Marshall 1960a (oh, and a crappy pair of ADA 2x12s), then a bunch of Eminence speakers in Earcandy 1x12 and 2x12 enclosures. Didn't love them all in the morning. At present, I have a Port City 4x12 coming loaded with the new Jensen alnico Blackbirds that Daniel at Port City recommended. he claims it to be his desert island speaker, but they are reaaaally expensive. Something like $225 retail! I'll post when I break her in.

To state the obvious, in the end, it is really hard to take speaker advice from people (who all have different tastes in styles and tones) because it is the final highly reactive stage of a chain of interdependent variables - that is ultimately highly subjective. It is entirely possible for a guy who hates V30s on distorted rock tones in cab A to hear them blind in cab B with another amp head and think they are the best thing he ever heard... :doh:

+1 in a big way. Thanks John I think you nailed it on the head.

TheGrooveking
 
remocity":fyh0mzyn said:
AdamB":fyh0mzyn said:
I have a mesa 4x12 with vintage 30's, but i've recently changed to a custom built Matamp 4x12 with 2 vintage 30's and 2 hot 100's in an X pattern, sounds amazing!

I find this combination interesting............

What type of music does this combination cover best?

I play hardcore mainly. And when i was getting a new cab from matamp, i went to the factory, and was ready to order 4 v30's to be put in, just like my mesa. But the cab is made better, so the cab naturally has a deeper more natural sounding bass.

They have a testing rig of 12, 1x12's. You plug your head in, and then turn a dial, switching between every speaker they have. But you don't know what the speakers are, they ask you to go off your ears. I tried a crunch on my Erect, the full on Erect channel B i usually use, and a full on SL2. I got stuck between what turned out to be the V30 and G12T100 (hot 100), so i decided to get both in an x pattern. I'm more than pleased! My sound is more 3D now although i'm still breaking in the hot 100's.

For those that don't know matamp, they're the company that used to make all the orange amps/cabs before Orange fucked them over and didn't pay them back in the day
 
I've heard really good things about those Celestion G12-100K's or whatever they are as well although I've never tried one.

My choices are the Eminence Tonkerlite in my Eggie 112 and the Weber Pre Rola 1225's in my 412 and I'm very pleased. The Emi is fairly neutral with a british touch which allows the Fender modules to sound like a Fender and the Marshall to sound like a Marshall. Plus it makes the cab very light. I'm real happy with that choice so far.
 
I play hardcore mainly. And when i was getting a new cab from matamp, i went to the factory, and was ready to order 4 v30's to be put in, just like my mesa. But the cab is made better, so the cab naturally has a deeper more natural sounding bass.

Hey Adam,

Thanks for the info.

The situation you have with the Matamp cab which is a better built cab and the Stoneage 412 cab I have is identical.
I need to open it up a little more with a couple of speakers that are not so mid heavy to use in conjunction with the v30's I have.
A buddy of mine has a couple of G12t75's hanging around.
Since these are a slightly less powered G12t100 I'm hoping it does the trick and opens up the sound a little and allows me to lower my presence and treble on my amp settings.
I think this is the combination Bogner uses in their Uber cabs.

Thanks again

Richard
 
Even though I've never tried it, the V30/75's make a good mix and yes, it is what Bogner uses in their cabs. I'd say give it a shot.
 
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