The difference between the 3 Diezel amps?.....

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Yo guys!

I'm getting Diezel gas, and from what i can tell, they can all do pretty brutal high gain and take a number of different types of power valves (the Herbert you can mix different ones, yes?)

So, how differently are they voiced?

What are the advantages of one over the other?

Thanks!

Adam
 
This is a very broad thing to discuss. I can go on for weeks about them all but rather then put you to sleep, it may be easier if you were to tell me what aspects you desire in an amp or your tone and I can direct you from there. I will do whatever I can to help. :thumbsup:
 
then i feel to suggest you to first listen the samples on the Diezel page and decide from your personal taste ;)
this will help you taking apart a choice instead of one another

remember this is at your own risk :D you'll like both 3 of them, Herbert, Vh4-S, Einstein :yes: :thumbsup:
 
Haha!

That's what a was fearing! I'm sure all of them will sound amazing!

It's just down to nit picking and that tone in your head that we all have :D

I've heard that the Herbert has better bass clarity, and is suited to down tuning better due to it's 180w. I also like the fact i can use both EL34 and 6L6 at the same time.

For some reason, the Einstein has never entered my equation, not too sure why, so between the Herbert and VH4, what are the differences in the lead channel? As in the highest gain channel....
 
I don't know why the Einstein gets "pushed down" by the two big brothers, but honestly, the Einstein is AS versatile/heavy/clear sounding as the other ones.


But I guess most of the ppl that look into diezels are into metal, so they gravitate towards the big boys.
 
AdamB":3unu8j0s said:
Haha!

That's what a was fearing! I'm sure all of them will sound amazing!

It's just down to nit picking and that tone in your head that we all have :D

I've heard that the Herbert has better bass clarity, and is suited to down tuning better due to it's 180w. I also like the fact i can use both EL34 and 6L6 at the same time.

For some reason, the Einstein has never entered my equation, not too sure why, so between the Herbert and VH4, what are the differences in the lead channel? As in the highest gain channel....


i know it does big metal great, but damn to my ears i find herbert most versatile. great wide arrange of sounds in there. i own herbie and einstein and find them similar. like big brother little brother kind of thing. i find vh-4 a fantastic amp but a bit more dry and compressed than the other two, with more focus on the upper mids in that amp.
just my opinion. Trust Terry on this matter, super smart guy with lots of experince comparing all three,

peace
A Wood
 
Well.....I have my opinions and will make this statement and then break things down a bit. All Diezel amps can do every type of thing. The Einstein is the most organic with the most overtones. The Herbert is the most saturated but not by a tremendous amount and I feel the Herbert it the most forgiving as far as lead playing is concerned. The VH4 is the fastest amp, Heavy, CLEAR, ARTICULATE. People "wrongly" or "mistakenly" say the VH4 doesn't have as much gain as needed for metal. THIS IS FALSE. Gain and saturation are not the same thing. Because VH4 is not as saturated, it gets categorized as a rock amp. Let me remind you that Hetfield plays a VH4 and Sambora a Herbert. The VH4 has a very pummeling immediate punch to it. All of the Diezel amps have their own thing going on. The "Diezel sound" may take a bit to get used to for your ears.....it is time well spent. All the amps have fantastic clean channels. All the amps have fantastic lead channels. All the amps can chug nicely. In the chug department, I would say the VH4 is the tightest, then Herbert, then Einstein. The Herbert is and does sound mean due to the wattage yes but also the mid cut features. All of the amps sound good no matter how they are set (within reason of course).

Einstein - might be my favorite of the three. It has a sweet aspect to it that is so full, smooth, and clear.....dare I say romantic? I would say romantic. It gets very mean, has a singing quality about it yet can seduce you with its brilliance. It is an incredibly fun amp to play (as are all Diezel Amps) but there is something special about the organic, singing, sustaining aspect of the Einstein. Ballsy gain in spades and cleans to die for. Mid tones that sing and hit you right where it hurts. The Einstein IMO is FANTASTIC! Doesn't get the respect it deserves for metal but if you need som high gain, cleans and play music to where chords can ring out and sustain, this amp is very very good for that. It takes a pedal very well if needed. I myself am not a fan of pedals but the Diezel amps take them very well.

Herbert - Said to be the metal monster and I can not disagree but would you think I was wrong if I said the Herbert cleans are God like???? They are that good. Seriously. I think the herbert excels at the metal tones and the clean tones the best. Yes it can do the in between wonderfully as well but for that I may tip my hat to the Einstein or VH4. The Herbert sounds fantastic at low volumes as well.....all of the amps sound decent at low volume but really shine when pushed...(that can be said of any tube amp of course). The Herbert is forgiving from a lead perspective. You can pull things off with that amp that you can't with other amps. It is a very fun amp to play indeed. You don't have to fight the Herbert. It gives you back what you put into it and then some which is very cool. The feel of the Herbert is nice and responsive. It is tight with great attack and just enough sag to not make it stiff. It sings, it is heavy as hell yet immensely beautiful on the cleans. I would say it rivals some noted "clean amps" as far as clean tone quality. It records wonderfully. I will say some falsely have said it gets lost in the mix.....I say falsely because any amp will get lost if you dime the gain and bass and cut out the mids. The amp does well in the mix if used as it should be.

VH4 - This amp is a blast to play. The overall features alone make it awesome. The versatility of the VH4 is hard to match. It is said to be stiff but I don't find it to be. I do find it a down strokers dream if you actually work and play it. The harder you work the VH4 the more it gives you. It is full of tone, gain, and will hit you like a ton of bricks. It is so clear and fast that you think the amp may not be "heavy" but if you think that, you have deceived yourself...lol. The VH4 is very bad ass IMO. You can coax great cleans, lead and riffage possibilities out of it. It is immensely responsive and records and cuts great. I feel the VH4 is the least forgiving of the three amps mentioned here. It's lack of over the top saturation is mistaken for not enough gain but it has gain in spades. It really can do anything well. It is the fastest amp IMO. It is the most responsive IMO and it is anything but dry or sterile. It will expose your sloppy playing but it will also make you a better player.....actually any of the three will. Push this amp and it will greatly reward you with wonderful sounds and responsiveness. It has great low end, as does the Herbert. The VH4 low end is still clear and very full....again it is deceptive. You hear such force but yet everything is clear and articulate....not muddy.

This said, a good cab will do wonders for these amps. The right cabinet seems to make these amps shine even more. The build quality is second to none. The customer service will never be compromised. I have had all three for a while and each time I plug into any of them I still smile and find something fresh in them. Diezel amps are incredibly musical amps.

If this is not enough information, please feel free to ask me further questions and I will do my best to help you. :)

I will give you this word of warning....if you like one you will end up with all three...lol. Seriously. You just wont be able to not get them all.. :lol: :LOL:

Ahhhhh......and the new cabs we have coming out are flat out AMAZING. You will be blown away I promise you. ;)
 
So im kinda going back and forth on what amp i want to buy and its basically come down to a Rivera K-Tre or a Diezel Einstein. The tones im looking for are more like recent Slipknot. I want that raw in your face midrange bite. The only question i really have is, does the Einstein do this? Im sure it does high gain well but i want it to be easy to obtain. I guess you guys get what im saying im just having a hard time describing what i really want :lol: :LOL: Any comments would be greatly appreciated. :thumbsup:
 
Diezels are like women....once you've had one of them, you want to have them all..... :rock:

There is every tone imaginable in one of these boxes. One thing you will find with Diezel, is the support is second to none. If you are only after Slipknot, you would probably be better leaning toward the Einstein or Hebert. James Root went Orange this year and Mick still uses Rivera (just saw them in Berlin). These are both 6L6 high gain monsters, similar to a Mesa DR. Can't figure why James took a step back and went Orange, but free is free. We play a few Slipknot covers (Before I Forget, Duality, Wait and Bleed) and I am the only guitarist and I generally use two amps blended (Uberschall for sizzle, VH4 for punch). However, if had only one of those amps, it would definitely be the VH4 and could easily find the growl I need on Ch4 without any effects. Generally, I reside on Ch3. But, I have started gassing a little bit myself for another Diezel. Probably there will be an Einy or Hebert as a companion to my VH4 in the near future. You will damn sure be among the elite few that get to own and experience a Diezel amp and wherever you go, they are conversation pieces. I play loads of Tool and it was Adam Jones that influenced me to go Diezel.

Good luck....its like deciding between a Mercedes or Beamer.

Steve
 
Oh dear AdamB...
You're going to have to try mine at some point. In fact on Wednesday I'll crank it up a bit to show you what it can do. :thumbsup:
 
Nothing sounds like Herbert's power section pushing a good cabinet to me.
 
Duolos":3r7323z1 said:
This is a very broad thing to discuss. I can go on for weeks about them all but rather then put you to sleep, it may be easier if you were to tell me what aspects you desire in an amp or your tone and I can direct you from there. I will do whatever I can to help. :thumbsup:

When I purchased my first Herbert I went through just about every power tube combination that you could imagine the beast could take.

I was originally good with the Chinese pre-amp tubes.

But then the old trick, "which overturned paper cup out of three has the little magic ball under it" and the games began.

Of various manufacturers – EL34s, 6CA7s, 6L6/6L6GCs, 5881s, KT88s, 6550s, I even tried KT100s – bleh, in many different combinations.

I did find a better pre-amp tube for my purposes and I haven't looked back - the Tung-Sol 12ax7 (Re-issue)

And after all that power amp tube fuss, guess what power amp tube I settled on – yep!

The stock original:
rubyel34.jpg


I would never question Mr. Peter Diezel’s ingenuity for solid unadulterated tone.
 
Wow!

Thanks for all the info guys, some really great replies, thanks for taking the time out to give one of the most detailed responces i've ever seen! Really helped me, but in the same way, it didn't because it sounds like i want them all now! Ha!

Nolly":2j7ww6mt said:
Oh dear AdamB...
You're going to have to try mine at some point. In fact on Wednesday I'll crank it up a bit to show you what it can do. :thumbsup:

I was hoping you wouldn't see this! Haha! You're no good for my gas, making me buy new guitars and all :thumbsup:
 
AdamB":2t8shpb8 said:
I was hoping you wouldn't see this! Haha! You're no good for my gas, making me buy new guitars and all :thumbsup:

I guess our arrangement may be more costly for you than you had originally thought hahah
 
King Crimson":2iv6e39h said:
Duolos":2iv6e39h said:
This is a very broad thing to discuss. I can go on for weeks about them all but rather then put you to sleep, it may be easier if you were to tell me what aspects you desire in an amp or your tone and I can direct you from there. I will do whatever I can to help. :thumbsup:

When I purchased my first Herbert I went through just about every power tube combination that you could imagine the beast could take.

I was originally good with the Chinese pre-amp tubes.

But then the old trick, "which overturned paper cup out of three has the little magic ball under it" and the games began.

Of various manufacturers – EL34s, 6CA7s, 6L6/6L6GCs, 5881s, KT88s, 6550s, I even tried KT100s – bleh, in many different combinations.

I did find a better pre-amp tube for my purposes and I haven't looked back - the Tung-Sol 12ax7 (Re-issue)

And after all that power amp tube fuss, guess what power amp tube I settled on – yep!

The stock original:
rubyel34.jpg


I would never question Mr. Peter Diezel’s ingenuity for solid unadulterated tone.

Ahhhh...here is a wonderful lesson people. ;)
 
Fully agree on Einstein versatility. That is one sweet, sweet beast. Can handle everything extremelly well, and by everything I mean music styles, all bunch of different guitars I have, pedals, FX processors and around 10 beer (of'course empty, no liquids on my amp, please) bottles....
That is one 'heluvan' amp.
Now, if I finaly make up my mind on whether it will be a Diezel 2x12", 4x12", Front or Rear, V30, V30 + G12K, G12K....choices, choices....never end....

And then, I will need bigger room for the VH4 and Herby ...can't save myself.... :doh:
 
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