The Lunchbox Amp Poll

How Useful are Lunchbox Amps?

  • They are loud enough but take up less space

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • They give a good sound at lower volumes

    Votes: 2 4.8%
  • I use them in my home studio and they work well for me

    Votes: 2 4.8%
  • I gig with one and it works great.

    Votes: 4 9.5%
  • You can get great quality, tone, and features for less cost

    Votes: 2 4.8%
  • They are inferior to their "big brothers"

    Votes: 18 42.9%
  • They are "no better than 100w amps" for low volume playing

    Votes: 6 14.3%
  • They suck and "are not worth the money"

    Votes: 2 4.8%
  • They're for hobbyists who don't understand "SPL and master vol."

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Lunchboxes are for "cheap ghetto rigs"

    Votes: 6 14.3%

  • Total voters
    42

MistaGuitah

Well-known member
Well, there seems to be some rigorous debate that devolved into personal insults because of apparent disdain for lunchbox amps so it seems like it would be best settled by a poll. In another thread, a few guys like Zachman, swamptrashstompboxes, EXPcustom had some pretty derogatory things to say about my new lower-wattage rig and lunchbox amps in general, so maybe it's good to get some wider, more informed opinions on the topic. Therefore, based on some of their criticism, I crafted the following poll.
 
Can't handle dispute so you run away to a new thread with your tail between your legs. You are certainly a triggered snowflake as one of the guys said in the other threads.

Insults are just for kicks.

If you can't take the heat, get the fuck out of the kitchen.

Cheers.
 
You should have given more than one option.

My mkiv sounds amazing at quiet TV levels, my 22 watt Splawn SS doesn't.

Most are inferior to their big brothers, volume may or may not be different,it depends on the design.
 
The butthurt is strong up in hur.


I don't see an option for them being built to make money from the tgp crowd. That's my vote.
 
Should've had more than 1 selectable option.

Lunch box amps span a range of specifications, and is a rather ambiguous description. I think of them as 1-15 watt practice amps, and without exception, I prefer playing through my Big amps and NEVER once have thought... Geee, I wish my amp sounded like a lunch box amp. E V E R...

They're a trend and that's cool. Some of them are pricy, and for me--an unnecessary consideration.

ALL gear are mere tools to accomplish a goal, and none guarantee great results. They offer only a range of potential results, so it's up to the player to select appropriately, if one stands a chance of hitting the target.

If you're in the military and serve on a submarine, or are in a tight space like a dorm room, they would be a potential solution to consider.

General rule: Use the best gear you can afford, and remember the point of gear is to make music.

Personally, I selected my gear to be used in live performances. I've used the same high powered amp on a small club stages, in the recording studio through a 1x 12 cabinet, 2x12, 4x10, and 4x12 cabs, and large stages in front of 18000 (Mesa/Boogie MKIII Coliseum Simul-Class head that I bought new in '86), through the Big Multi-Amp W/D/W Rig and multiple 4x12 cabinets-- Currently, I have lots of options and I like it that way.

In the beginning, I only had 1 amp, so when choosing one, I chose one I could use live & LOUD or soft, in the studio AND in my room practicing.

I tend to prefer 100 watt amps over their 50 watt counter parts, but have found exceptions to that.

To me, tone is a primary issue. Volume not so much, but for a Clean headroom consideration.

You want Big tone, use big gear

You want Small tone, use small gear

You want 'Specific tone' use 'Specific gear' set, and routed a 'Specific way', in 'Specific conditions' to achieve 'Specific Results'.

The main barriers one has to getting their intended targeted sonic results are, 1) knowing what it takes to achieve the intended tone(s) in the 1st place (LOTS of confusion in that area), 2) Budget, and 3) Sales-Hype, leading the inexperienced off-course.

One can get a Fractal Axe-FX, or a Kemper and a Power Amp in a small rack that sits on a 1x12 or vertical 2x12 for a small foot print, or (2) 1x12, or 2x12 cabs for stereo which can sound AMAZING. BIG learning curve if one is starting at square 1 though.

If volume is a major factor, and you are doing home recording stuff, use plugins w/ head phones as a potential viable option.

Getting the sound captured how you want on a recording is different than getting the sound you want out of your amp's speakers, playing with a band. If the sound you're after is one that was from a studio recording, and you're trying to get 'That' sound out of your amp, well... that's a cool trick... IF you can do it, and the tones I have in mind-- the little amps fall shy.
 
sleewell2":10u2i70x said:
The butthurt is strong up in hur.

:yes:

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sleewell2":10u2i70x said:
I don't see an option for them being built to make money from the tgp crowd. That's my vote.

:hys: :cheers: :yes:

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My experience with them is quite broad, so here's Mr. Nuance for ya.

Gigging with them can work, if you have
a) the right lunchbox amp that doesn't sound small to begin with
b) use 2x12 or 4x12 cabs that add to the perceived heft in sound.

I've gigged occasionally with a H&K Tubemeister 18, Carvin V3M (both sold) and my Engl Ironball (all EL84 power amps), and with 2x12 and 4x12 cabs only.
Yes, they'll struggle to remain clean when working with a loud drummer (which my band's drummer definitely is!) and the drive can sound congested due to the lack of headroom. The upside was less weight and hassle in transit.
Eventually I settled on the in-between option for gigging: 40-60W amps that don't weigh too much (<32lbs/15kg), but still have big glass & iron (6L6 and EL34), combined with a big sounding vertical 2x12" on casters. Portable enough, yet still enough ballz.
To me this is the best compromise for semi-pro musicians that do care about their tone, but also about their back in the long run. ;)
Occasionally on really big stages I'll bring out the Engl Invader and the 4x12 cab.

In the studio lunchbox amps have proven very useful, especially when going direct through the Torpedo Live (IR's), where you can pair them with bigger sounding cabs/IR's and in some cases the 'smaller tone' that takes up less sonic footprint helps with getting leads to stand out more than to have a big sound that takes up most of the mix.
I've had the Engl Ironball used for leads, where I preferred it to bigger amps, but I used the bigger amps for rhythm tones to greater effect.

When it comes to home practice/bedroom-playing, it's 50/50 for me.
The lunchbox amps typically are easier to get a good sound on lower volumes, although I've run into a few that still want a decent amount of volume before they open up and deliver the goods.
On the flip side, if you find a bigger amp with a very good master volume, it may give you more girth in tone and in turn more joy to play it.
Of course, that additional girth in tone may actually be unwanted when you're in a dorm, or a noisy apartment or something, where neighbours will complain sooner because of the droning bass noise.

For now, I've settled on 2 lunchboxes to keep around, where especially the little Mark V:25 would be my desert island bedroom amp, but most of my playing time at home is on the Engl Savage 60 or Mesa DC-5; both 24" heads with 50-60W, EL34 and 6L6, run through a 2x12 cab.
The Ironball I sometimes bring to rehearsals, when there's a 2x12 or 4x12 cab in the room, and I'm not too keen on whatever run-down & abused head I might encounter there (typically JCM900's, H&K Warp 7's and crappier stuff). That way my tone is controlled and I'm not dragging along some 50-60lbs head just for a rehearsal.

YMMV. :thumbsup:
 
20 years ago I bought a 18 watt Budda sounded ok by itself worthless in a band setting period.
 
i always base my current opinions on an experience 20 years ago.

i played an atari once in the 80s and swore off video games forever. fucking pong are kidding me... complete bullshit.
 
sleewell2":1pmc3chi said:
i always base my current opinions on an experience 20 years ago.

i played an atari once in the 80s and swore off video games forever. fucking pong are kidding me... complete bullshit.
Well that's the only time I owned a low wattage amp and it suck for band use.
 
I tried this path some years ago, and I never really found a lunchbox amp that fit a functional need. Those that needed the power tubes really cooking to get the goods were still too loud for low volume purposes (even a 1W amp can be pretty loud). And the preamp gain on some of my 100 watters just sounded better at really low volumes (Friedman BE-100 and Engl Fireball 100).

I'm not big on digital, but my old Fractal also sounded better for the most part at really low volumes. Even a pedalboard into a clean practice amp generally does it for me pretty well.

For more rehearsal volumes, never could get the lunchboxes loud enough to compete with drummer (though I always seem to get the loudest drummers).
 
I havent tried many lunch box amps except for an EVH LB2 and a Friedman JJ jr. I didnt really care for either. I would love to get an Orange OR15. I imagine that with a PowerStation would be pretty great but I dont know.
 
panhead":o1xm3psf said:
sleewell2":o1xm3psf said:
i always base my current opinions on an experience 20 years ago.

i played an atari once in the 80s and swore off video games forever. fucking pong are kidding me... complete bullshit.
Well that's the only time I owned a low wattage amp and it suck for band use.
Then don't say 'They suck balls', present tense. :thumbsdown:

@sleewell, nailed it. :yes:
 
Speeddemon":3sgk97fw said:
panhead":3sgk97fw said:
sleewell2":3sgk97fw said:
i always base my current opinions on an experience 20 years ago.

i played an atari once in the 80s and swore off video games forever. fucking pong are kidding me... complete bullshit.
Well that's the only time I owned a low wattage amp and it suck for band use.
Then don't say 'They suck balls', present tense. :thumbsdown:

@sleewell, nailed it. :yes:
Hey 20 watts is 20 watts I didn't say they didn't sound good. I/ NOT SAYING YOU/ cant play with a drummer/ not the ones I play or played with on a 20 watt amp.
 
MistaGuitah":wwu5o6yu said:
Well, there seems to be some rigorous debate that devolved into personal insults.

“Maybe YOU should switch to acoustic because judging by your Youtube videos, it seems like you'd be better off just strumming chords and not trying to play leads.” - MistaGuitah

“What do you think you proved posting those videos? That for all your fancy gear, experience, and alleged expertise, an 80's camcorder sound is all you're capable of recording? Or were you trying to prove that articulation, phrasing, bending to pitch, and having a practiced vibrato are entirely overrated?” - MistahGuitah

Such a shame that your thread “devolved into personal insults.” Especially when YOU are the one who hurled the first two. Oh, the irony. Cry us a river.... :cry:
 
I'm actually going to move into Lunchbox sized amps in future, as they're lighter and therefore easier to transport. :D
 
sleewell2":28nf5r3f said:
yeah i always say something sucks balls when i mean to say it sounds good.

bro how fucking high are you right now?
Im talking function wise and go dissect something else Jesus
 
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