The new Dumbles

thegame said:
Haven't you heard? "In the room" tone is completely irrelevant nowadays. Doesn't matter if it inspires you to create something on the spot that you might not have otherwise. It's all about "fitting in the mix" now. Even if you don't record! Those Fuchs will sound the same as Dumbles on Youtube anyway!
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True! lol
 
VonBonfire said:
I'm just looking for an improved Twin Reverb so everything I try whether it be a pedal, amp mods, or a new amp, is going to be compared to a cranked Twin with a basic boost as a baseline. Tone improvement plus addtional versatility over a 100 watt Twin, which stays extremely clean until you get it screaming, and minus a boost, is still a pretty clean tone. Think Freddie King.
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Plenty of amps out there that does that much better than a Fuchs.
A good friend just bought a Two Rock Traditional Clean, and the amp sounds pretty good! Not like a Dumble at all, but more like a good sounding black face Fender with great reverb.
Now, why not just try to find a great sounding BF or early SF Twin Reverb and add a couple of OD and boost pedals to it? Trust me, I've never heard anything out there that sound as good as a great sounding original black face Fender amp for that type of tone. No Two Rock, Fuchs, Amplified Nation. Anything... Except for the ones modded by Dumble.
 
CrystalSky said:
Metal capable?

Curious!
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It can do 70's classic, hard rock and even 70's or early 80's Heavy Metal, like UFO, Scorpions and Accept, if boosted. It's pretty much just a stock 76 4 input 50w. Dumble didn't mod it much, if at all, he just rebuilt the amp to his building specs. But it's the best sounding 4 input 50w I've heard in my life.
This is the amp. No boos or OD, just a little slap back delay in front of the amp, with a. very low output PAF Les Paul.
 
SBlue said:
Plenty of amps out there that does that much better than a Fuchs.
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Truthfully I haven't given a look at Fuch cause when I heard them previously, I wasn't really impressed. I've looked at Amp-Nation, Two Rock, and Ceriatone. All but the Ceriatone would require me to sell my house to afford one, lol.

SBlue said:
A good friend just bought a Two Rock Traditional Clean, and the amp sounds pretty good! Not like a Dumble at all, but more like a good sounding black face Fender with great reverb.
Now, why not just try to find a great sounding BF or early SF Twin Reverb and add a couple of OD and boost pedals to it? Trust me, I've never heard anything out there that sound as good as a great sounding original black face Fender amp for that type of tone. No Two Rock, Fuchs, Amplified Nation. Anything... Except for the ones modded by Dumble.
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Thanks for the info SBlue. I never use reverb. On a Twin it's either too heavy of a wash or not enough IME. Once you've owned the dedicated Fender tank the built in reverb is POS by comparison. I know there is a way to fix it but I just don't really need reverb. I already have two SF Twins with BF circuitry and have been using a Blue Note in front of it for about a dozen years. I mentioned in some other threads my tech suggested some "dumble mods" like changing the value on the input caps and cathode bypass resistors. I needed input caps on a '69 so he changed them to something he said would be more in line with Dumble, I forget the value. It sounded good at the gig but I'm still waiting to see some footage so I can review it after the fact.
 
VonBonfire said:
Great post. Very nicely summed up. It's funny cause I don't generally enjoy Ford or Carlton's tone very much tbh but I enjoyed where you had it cued up to. It sounded really good.The Landau vid was great sounding too.
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i’ve said many times before that although Mike is the ultimate style and tone champion to me, Carlton’s live wdw Dumble tone i heard using his 335 (*very important!*) in concert was the best single lead guitar tone i’ve ever heard in my life.
 
mentoneman said:
i’ve said many times before that although Mike is the ultimate style and tone champion to me, Carlton’s live wdw Dumble tone i heard using his 335 (*very important!*) in concert was the best single lead guitar tone i’ve ever heard in my life.
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Do you have any vids you could link that best demonstrate the tone? I'd definitely listen to them as my main player is a good 355 copy. Not super familiar with his stuff but the TX blues is usually a pretty clean rhythm sound and a fairly conservative gain-lead tone. I got attracted to some of the dumble style stuff because it seems to offer "clean" sustain.
 
SBlue said:
It can do 70's classic, hard rock and even 70's or early 80's Heavy Metal, like UFO, Scorpions and Accept, if boosted. It's pretty much just a stock 76 4 input 50w. Dumble didn't mod it much, if at all, he just rebuilt the amp to his building specs. But it's the best sounding 4 input 50w I've heard in my life.
This is the amp. No boos or OD, just a little slap back delay in front of the amp, with a. very low output PAF Les Paul.
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Wow! Good stuff! 🔥

Now we need a boosted pissed off vid of this beauty 🤘🏻
 
SBlue said:
It can do 70's classic, hard rock and even 70's or early 80's Heavy Metal, like UFO, Scorpions and Accept, if boosted. It's pretty much just a stock 76 4 input 50w. Dumble didn't mod it much, if at all, he just rebuilt the amp to his building specs. But it's the best sounding 4 input 50w I've heard in my life.
This is the amp. No boos or OD, just a little slap back delay in front of the amp, with a. very low output PAF Les Paul.
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I remember you posted this a while back, that might be my favorite tone ever
 
legend71 said:
I agree with this. My friend just got a Fuchs and he normally plays a Friedman Twin Sister. The Fuchs cannot crack the lineup at his gigs. The dirty sound just doesn't get it for him and I bet he sells it. I had one as well year ago and I liked the lead sounds and cleans, but it did not stick around for same reasons. I think a lot of blues / jazz type cats are hip to it ad it fits what they do. But I miss EL34 tone after a while.
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i had an ods 100 for a year.
in the room it had a nice fat feet to it running at volume through an EV12L, and although it wasn’t as enchanting as others in the room, recorded it was one of the closest to RF dumble tones i’d heard.

https://on.soundcloud.com/BTkvgXXk5A7EyJiE8

but i eventually moved on because it was very particular about how you had to set it—loud—, didn’t like attenuators, particular to speakers, fx, didn’t cover enough territory for the music i was tasked to play, and i’m not Robben Ford! my friend owned the ods50 with the slx mod at the time and i liked his amp a bit more.

one of my friends has a triple drive supreme and another has an ODS II i can jam on when i go to his studio, both are definitely cool amps and an upgrade from the earlier stuff. i tend to hit the ODS II with some pedals and lean towards EJ lead sounds with that one. though he recently got a Bludotone and greatly prefers that amp.

for my tastes nowadays i get close enough to that Dumble sound with my Ethos pedal into either a nice fender or my mojave amp pushed and attenuated (this was a tone tubby H-bomb cab with green and red hempcone speakers)



or my Synergy Dirty Shirley:

https://on.soundcloud.com/mWT9NZ2MToZowqaL7
 
i dont know if you do profiles SBlue, if you do ill buy the profile and i dont even have a modeler lol
 
SBlue said:
Fuchs amps, with all due respect, sound absolutely nothing like a real Dumble ODS or Dumble modded amp. It doesn't sound like them, it doesn't feel like them, it's not reliable like them... I can tell you this because I've own a Fuchs amp that I've got on a trade(TOS), and tho it sounded just like the other Fuchs amps I've heard through videos, in the room it was not even remotely close to any Dumble I've heard in person, and I've heard quite a few of them, or like any of the ones I own.
Both the Fuchs and most of the Dumble replica, clone or inspired amps I've had the chance to A/B side by side with a real Dumble amp or mod, sounded one dimension, stiff and sterile, with an annoying honky midrange, very blurred low end, icy picking presence and with absolute no bounce at all.
What I've seen, every single time someone brought a Dumble style amp to A/B them with the real deal is that, when they plug into the Dumble, they play for quite a while, before even trying to change the amp settings to their taste. Some don't even touch the settings at all. They just enjoy the amp. However, when plugging most of the replicas right after, every one would spend minutes tweaking the settings, trying to come close to the real deal sound/feel, and after a while trying to adjust the amp, instead of playing it, they give up and ask "Can I plug into the Dumble again?", and there they stay until the get together is over. And it happened every single time someone tried A/Bing them.
Sure, they are not aimed for the metal community at all. That was never his goal. So, they won't chug, they won't sound like Metallica or Meshuggah... but for the purpose they were built for, nothing has ever been better, and most likely, never will.
Dumble knew how to make the perfect amp that would please his clients 110%!
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Ok - I stand corrected. Should I delete my earlier post? Please let me know and I will try to get to it later today.
 
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