The weak administration strikes again. Isreal and Hamas going at it

[rsm]

Yeah, that is wrong!

As I’ve already covered, so did the Israeli government. And not all Palestinians. The people that perpetrated the crime are guilty, not anyone else.

Fuuuuuuck no!!!

Then be better than that!

nah, retribution and vengeance are fine in some situations, e.g., when you're in an existential conflict.

failure to achieve complete victory means your progeny will face existential conflicts in the future.

At one time, native Americans were a threat to lives of American settlers; that threat has been reduced or eliminated.

Now drug cartels in Mexico may pose a threat to American citizens, what do you do? Nothing, coexist or eliminate? Guess what, some ordinary Mexican citizens work for the cartels which means they chose to put themselves in that position. The citizens of Gaza that elect and support Hamas have put themselves in that position too.


At least Israel gave the citizens of Gaza a warning; Hamas didn't warn the citizens of Israel.

 

[acceptance]

Retribution and vengeance are fine in some situations, e.g., when you're in an existential conflict.

Then you’re justifying what Hamas did.

 

[Thumbpicker]

Anyone left in Gaza after the evacuation order ought to be considered a combatant. Hamas are gutless dogs hiding behind the innocent. Take them all out. No doubt a lot of the so called "innocent" passively support Hamas as well.

 

[acceptance]

Anyone left in Gaza after the evacuation order ought to be considered a combatant. Hamas are gutless dogs hiding behind the innocent. Take them all out.

Curious, do you happen to be Christian?

 

[Thumbpicker]

Curious, do you happen to be Christian?

Yes. Fun fact: Did you know Christians don't generally support Hamas? ;-) To quote a Jewish friend of mine's post. You don't negotiate will people that come to kill you.

 

[VonBonfire]

Then you’re justifying what Hamas did.

Both of those religions abide by "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth".

You're speaking from a christian viewpoint. Welcome, brother.

 

[acceptance]

Yes.

Do you believe the Bible, or at least the Jewish Bible, supports your view?

 

[acceptance]

Both of those religions abide by "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth".

You're speaking from a christian viewpoint. Welcome, brother.

Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

 

[VonBonfire]

Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: [39] But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Religious jews are not interested in any new testament scriptures.

 

[Thumbpicker]

Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

I might be encouraged to turn the other cheek but luckily Israel follow Judaism.

 

[Thumbpicker]

Anyway do we have to forgive non Christians if they aren't sorry? God doesn't forgive us if we don't repent. We aren't held to a higher standard than God. To my knowledge Hamas is entirely unrepentant.

 

[VonBonfire]

Anyway do we have to forgive non Christians if they aren't sorry? God doesn't forgive us if we don't repent. We aren't held to a higher standard than God. To my knowledge Hamas is entirely unrepentant.

Yes, you have to forgive them because love and forgiveness go hand in hand.

Luke 6:32, among other verses.

 

[rsm]

Then you’re justifying what Hamas did.

not at all.

Israel is responding to Hamas actions, directly.

Hamas did not attempt to talk to Israel before their actions.

I do blame the Israel government, security and military for allowing it to happen. Just as I blame the US government, security and and military for 9/11.

 

[acceptance]

not at all.

Israel is responding to Hamas actions.

Hamas is responding to Israel's actions. You think you're right, they think they're right. Same moral justification.

 

[rsm]

Hamas is responding to Israels actions. You think you're right, they think they're right. Same moral justification.

Hamas has never made an attempt to negotiate with Israel; Israel gave Gaza "land for peace" in 2005, and forcibly removed Israeli settlers from Gaza.

Israel has made concessions for peace. the appeasement and concessions only led to more demands and violence from Hamas.

Nice try though.

 

[VonBonfire]

Hamas is responding to Israel's actions. You think you're right, they think they're right. Same moral justification.

As rsm said, they refused fair deals time and time again. They want jews pushed into the ocean and won't stop until they succeed or are dead. That is their stated goal. You seem to lack ability to place accurate value judgments but that is consistent with a non-christian secular "floater" moral system.

 

[acceptance]

As rsm said, they refused fair deals time and time again.

Fair deals = we'll give you back 1/100th of what we took, occupy it, oppress you and block statehood?

They want jews pushed into the ocean and won't stop until they succeed or are dead.

So that makes it okay for Israel to do the same to the Palestinians? Do you not see the power dynamic at play? Hamas cannot accomplish that. Israel can and might. It is unacceptable for either group to annihilate one another, IMO. I'm not sure what Israel ever expected though. It's trying to have one's cake and eat it too.

You seem to lack ability to place accurate value judgments but that is consistent with a non-christian secular "floater" moral system.

How so? I believe I have been entirely consistent in my views throughout this thread. Terrorism and killing innocent people is bad. So is theft!

 

[Thumbpicker]

Yes, you have to forgive them because love and forgiveness go hand in hand.

Luke 6:32, among other verses.

No we don’t. God doesn’t unless you ask. If they ask that’s another matter.

 

[rsm]

Good news is, no matter our opinions, Israel will either annihilate Hamas, Hezbollah and their supporters or be destroyed,

If I was a Jew and Israeli, I would do whatever I think is necessary for the survival of my people and my country against those who seek to eradicate us. No holds barred. No mercy given.

Thankfully, I'm not in that position. But I hope those Israelis who are in that position have the will and fortitude to do whatever is necessary without fear of world opinion.

 

[rsm]