Tone is in the ... cab.

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thegame said:
Cool comparison, thanks. As far as speakers go, Marshall G12 Vintage>Mesa V30>>>>>>>>>>>>Regular V30
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I agree. I think the bogner sounds great, nice and balanced, but the Mesa is more my style, and the Marshall 1960BV just kills... all of my favorite tones were Marshall cabs ( nevermore, carcass, black album, testament etc), not sure why it took me so long to get one: it’s just the sound man, just fantastic. I hope this disspells some of the myths out there about Marshall and Mesa cabs: because this is the same with all 8 of my tube heads: the Marshall simply sounds more balanced, has extended low end and depth, and has better highs than the Mesa. Of course, it is all subjective.... however,

what I found interesting is something my buddy told me the other day. He makes some of the biggest metal records of the last 15 or so years, period. He never used to mic up other cabs for comparison for bands coming in, because they simply would request Mesa cabs and didn’t want to try anything else: the kool aid is strong with Mesa cabs. Nowadays, he mics up all his cabs: almost everybody picks either the Marshall, or the engl cab loaded with 65 watt creambacks: go figure...

Again, not dissing on Mesa cabs, I obviously own one and love it, but there is ALOT of BS on the internet, especially comparing these two cabs and what makes a cab “better”. Over construction/ being overbuilt ain’t the way.
 
VESmedic said:
I agree. I think the bogner sounds great, nice and balanced, but the Mesa is more my style, and the Marshall 1960BV just kills... all of my favorite tones were Marshall cabs ( nevermore, carcass, black album, testament etc), not sure why it took me so long to get one: it’s just the sound man, just fantastic. I hope this disspells some of the myths out there about Marshall and Mesa cabs: because this is the same with all 8 of my tube heads: the Marshall simply sounds more balanced, has extended low end and depth, and has better highs than the Mesa. Of course, it is all subjective.... however,

what I found interesting is something my buddy told me the other day. He makes some of the biggest metal records of the last 15 or so years, period. He never used to mic up other cabs for comparison for bands coming in, because they simply would request Mesa cabs and didn’t want to try anything else: the kool aid is strong with Mesa cabs. Nowadays, he mics up all his cabs: almost everybody picks either the Marshall, or the engl cab loaded with 65 watt creambacks: go figure...

Again, not dissing on Mesa cabs, I obviously own one and love it, but there is ALOT of BS on the internet, especially comparing these two cabs and what makes a cab “better”. Over construction/ being overbuilt ain’t the way.
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My hierarchy chart applies to the speakers themselves. I use those Marshall G12Vs in Bogner cabs. Those Marshall G12V speakers don’t impose their own character onto various amps nearly as much as any other V30 version, especially when turned up. In other words, I experience more of a difference between various amps with the Marshall ones compared to when using the others. Turn up the regular V30 and to a lesser extent the Mesa V30 too much and the dreaded screaming cone cry becomes overbearing and smears the articulation. The Marshall version just doesn’t compress as much. It has a harder dynamic response.
 
I wonder what those would sound like if he played the demo with the other 4 strings?
 
thegame said:
My hierarchy chart applies to the speakers themselves. I use those Marshall G12Vs in Bogner cabs. Those Marshall G12V speakers don’t impose their own character onto various amps nearly as much as any other V30 version, especially when turned up. In other words, I experience more of a difference between various amps with the Marshall ones compared to when using the others. Turn up the regular V30 and to a lesser extent the Mesa V30 too much and the dreaded screaming cone cry becomes overbearing and smears the articulation. The Marshall version just doesn’t compress as much. It has a harder dynamic response.
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Completely agreed... the Mesa cabs have a very specific frequency that you can notch out around 3k that is prevalent in their cabs. The “Mesa whistle” as it’s known... once you find it, it cleans up ALOT of the mess, notched with a very narrow Q: world of difference.
 
VESmedic said:
I wonder what would’ve happened if you had read the post and the point behind the test?

but since you asked....

Herbert with the Uber cab in a mix, complete with terrible one take playing.

https://soundcloud.app.goo.gl/kUQGHVaHDC5E4qmE6
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You missed my jab at Ola. Always a bunch of flogging on detuned E and A strings. Meanwhile there’s a huge playing population that used standard tuning and all 6 strings on a guitar :D
 
scottosan said:
You missed my jab at Ola. Always a bunch of flogging on detuned E and A strings. Meanwhile there’s a huge playing population that used standard tuning and all 6 strings on a guitar :D
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My apologizes! Even though I was for sure guilty of that on my clips, albeit for a very specific reason. I enjoy olas demos( sometimes), but he hasn’t gotten “lazy” I think when it comes to playing on them.
 
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