Twinjet users come in please!

[gargamelesp]

Ive been thinking of getting a new amp to mix together with my herbert and i love the tones the herbert has. I also love the tones the ENGL se has, but im concerned about the build quality so after checking out some clips of the twinjet, i have a few questions to ask

1. will it have too much tonal overlap together with the herbert? i can put 6550s in the herbert and keep the kt88s in the TJ
2. i want the amp to be raw, aggressive and tight -- basically something similar to the SE but i dont need all the other bells and whistles such as a nice clean channel etc

Will the twinjet fit the bill?

 

[gargamelesp]

Ive also considered the XTC and its definitely more versatile im sure but my first criteria is that it has to sound aggressive, tight and raw. Any other sounds it can have would be a bonus

 

[Big Rich]

get the twin jet ..... its brutaly aggressive, raw and tight as shit

i just threw these vids together a few weeks ago cuz i couldnt find a decent vid of the twin jet demonstrating the massive brootz....mic distorts and goes in and out but it helps give you a good idea of how this amp really sounds

 

[gargamelesp]

i have watched your vids a few times already and even though the mic clips it was one of the clips which turned me on to the twinjet

 

[metalsoup]

What cab did you use for these videos?

 

[AusTexCap]

I've never played a Diezel or the SEs but the Twin Jet is a beast. Just like everybody else says, it is a bit fizzy but most people seem to have taken that down a bit by changing tubes. I would not say that this amp is very tight though. It's not bad but even when tightening is up with a TS9 its not as tight as my Blackmore. Channel 1 (without mod) is awesome and the tighter of the two channels. Channel 2 is more "modern" and looser. I think my Blackmore and TJ compliment each other nicely.

 

[Ventura]

Although the TJ presents itself as a straight forward, 2 channel, hi-gain amp - there's a helluva lot more to it than just that. I've owned a Rev.Blue and now I own the TJ. There's a LOT of terrain to be had on this amp - and ya, Channel 1 is the surprise channel in the sense it's got some great lead, crunch, near-clean, and tight as hell gain punch than anything else. Granted - Channel 2 is off the hook. Seriously nuts. And yes, this amp is bloody loud - so there'd be no issues with keeping up with Sir Herbert. As for 'too much overlap', I don't know - depends what you want in your music. Both the Herbert and the UberTJ fill specific niches of sound with their own signature style punch. They're also very different in their voicings. I've used the term overlap before when discussing the Herbert and the UberTJ, but this was due to "broad musical spectrum"...I have a VH4S and this meant the TJ was a better fit than the XTC. I can go from clean and piano like tones on the VH4S right through to incomprehensible GAIN on Channel 4 (of the VH4S) + the gain of the UberTJ. I have mixed the two, and I really dig Channel 3 (V) + Channel 1 with gain at 3 o'clock (UberTJ). It's really unique and very potent.

As for the fizz...ya ya, I'm pondering the fizz issue too. Go with some TAD or Tung Sols in all the preamp sockets and this oughta help. But quite literally, they sound great right out of the box.

Peace,
V.

 

[Big Rich]

What cab did you use for these videos?

im using the oversized bogner 2x12 with the two v30s in the vid

i actually bought an ubercab last week and sold it off cuz i prefered the way this amp sounded with all v30s..... i dono if im a fan of the xpattern idea

the ubercab had a deeper sound to it but i found the low end to be a bit more punchy with all v30s.....

not only that but i like my mids a bit on the scooped side(around 9 oclock) and i find that with the v30s being naturally midrangey i can do this without running into any issues cuting through the mix....

just my prefrence.....but i highly recomend this amp its just beastly

and yea if you get the amp swap out some of the preamp tubes in ther, i wasnt a huge fan of the chinese tubes that wer in ther, i switched them all out for tung sols and this amp is just even more beastly now it really made the amp i bit thicker and cut out the fizzy gain characteristic

 

[Tone Merchant]

when u say "mix", are u saying that u want to run the herbert and the twin jet at the same time?

 

[Ventura]

and yea if you get the amp swap out some of the preamp tubes in ther, i wasnt a huge fan of the chinese tubes that wer in ther, i switched them all out for tung sols and this amp is just even more beastly now it really made the amp i bit thicker and cut out the fizzy gain characteristic

+1

Just awaiting an order of 6 new TAD 12AX7 Premiums. I hope this thickens things up a bit...otherwise, I absolutely LOVE my TJ.

V.

 

[gargamelesp]

when u say "mix", are u saying that u want to run the herbert and the twin jet at the same time?

not really i just want amps that sound different enough from each other to justify me owning both so they do not necessarily have to be played together at the same time, thought i might try it some day

 

[TheMagicEight]

when u say "mix", are u saying that u want to run the herbert and the twin jet at the same time?

not really i just want amps that sound different enough from each other to justify me owning both so they do not necessarily have to be played together at the same time, thought i might try it some day

The Twin Jet will definitely give that to you. The power section seems to be nothing like that of the Herbert, and although they cover similar ground, they'll sound much different; you could easily justify having both.

You may want to try one first though. The Twin Jet is a brutal, aggressive amp, but it's not tight. It's an awesome amp, and the fact that it's not tight really works with the sound it puts out, but next to a Diezel or Engl, the Twin Jet is pretty loose. The 101b, on the other hand, can be very tight and very aggressive, but it's not raw. Maybe worth checking out, but probably not.

I recorded some clips of my Twin Jet with EL34s that you can hear through the link in my sig. The clips don't sound like a stock Twin Jet with KT88s, but they do showcase about how tight the amp can get. That said, while I wouldn't trade my Uber for anything out there, you might find that just going for the Engl is the best option. I don't know the track record for the company on reliability, but I do know there seem to be a lot of people leaving reviews on HC criticizing Diezel. I'm just saying you can't always believe what you hear unless you're pretty certain it's good information.

Good luck!

 

[se7en]

Well the Herbert was inspired by the Uberschall...Peter Diezel heard one and wanted to make a similar amp and actually I've heard the changes in the design aren't huge...I wish I could recall what they were, but it had to with cutting bass in certain stages, etc.

 

[Ventura]

Well the Herbert was inspired by the Uberschall...Peter Diezel heard one and wanted to make a similar amp and actually I've heard the changes in the design aren't huge...I wish I could recall what they were, but it had to with cutting bass in certain stages, etc.

+1

V.

 

[Nico]

Well the Herbert was inspired by the Uberschall...Peter Diezel heard one and wanted to make a similar amp and actually I've heard the changes in the design aren't huge...I wish I could recall what they were, but it had to with cutting bass in certain stages, etc.

As mentioned over at the Diezel forum

Peter is quoted: "The Überschall is a phantastic amp - and Herbert is Diezels answer (!) to the Über"

So the Herbert is not a copy of the Uberschall its a different amp that fills the same segment of the market...

 

[steve_k]

If you are keeping the Herbie, don''t pair a TJ up with it. You are covering too much common ground. Go something totally different, like a Mesa Mark IV.

Steve

 

[se7en]

Well the Herbert was inspired by the Uberschall...Peter Diezel heard one and wanted to make a similar amp and actually I've heard the changes in the design aren't huge...I wish I could recall what they were, but it had to with cutting bass in certain stages, etc.

As mentioned over at the Diezel forum

Peter is quoted: "The Überschall is a phantastic amp - and Herbert is Diezels answer (!) to the Über"

So the Herbert is not a copy of the Uberschall its a different amp that fills the same segment of the market...

Of course it's not a copy...Peter wouldn't dare do that.

 

[Shiny_Surface]

Well the Herbert was inspired by the Uberschall...Peter Diezel heard one and wanted to make a similar amp and actually I've heard the changes in the design aren't huge...I wish I could recall what they were, but it had to with cutting bass in certain stages, etc.

As mentioned over at the Diezel forum

Peter is quoted: "The Überschall is a phantastic amp - and Herbert is Diezels answer (!) to the Über"

So the Herbert is not a copy of the Uberschall its a different amp that fills the same segment of the market...

Of course it's not a copy...Peter wouldn't dare do that.

Or an excuse to bump an old thread.

 

[Oz Hofstatter]

I have a Diezel Herbert and a Bogner XTC 20th. IMHO, they compliment each other nicely. If you use different cabinets and speakers, even better!
Cheers,
Oz

 

[ttosh]

If you are keeping the Herbie, don''t pair a TJ up with it. You are covering too much common ground. Go something totally different, like a Mesa Mark IV.

Steve

This ^

I had both and the TJ Stayed, the Herbert which was one of my top 3 favorite amps got bumped to #4.....