Uberschall or Cameron modded Marshall?

[FondledDuck]

Hey guys...new here and wondering if you could assist me in my decision making. I have always loved Uberschalls, but have since had the opportunity to get my hands on a Cameron modded late 70's Marshall MKII Super Lead 100. I also am able to get my hands on a Rev Blue Uberschall. Which would you recommend? What I am looking for in an amp...tight, punchy, mid focused, plenty of gain, articulation, etc.

The Marshall is modded with a resonance knob, a 3 way switch (voicing switch, I think) and two more pots that fine tune/adjust frequency in the low end and mid (I think). These mods are not labeled...but it definitly is a Cameron mod...his signature is on the chasssis. Lots of gain on tap too.

Thanks in advance...

 

[leib10]

Sounds like the Marshall suits your needs better.

 

[FondledDuck]

Why the Marshall?

 

[Ventura]

Marshall will have the mids.

 

[FondledDuck]

Is the Uberschall that "scooped"? My last amp was an Engl Powerball V2 that I loved...it was kind of scooped but I had to dial in a lot of mids to compensate. Can I still dial in a fair amount of mids with the Uber? And to be clear, I am after a modern voicing...plenty of chug required.

 

[leib10]

If you boosted it, it might suit your needs better.

 

[squank]

What are you going to use the amp for? Gigging? If so, the two channel Uberschall might be a better fit.

However, you can always seem to get your hands on an Uberschall if you want one. Cameron modded Marshalls don't come up for sale that often.

 

[FondledDuck]

What are you going to use the amp for? Gigging? If so, the two channel Uberschall might be a better fit.

However, you can always seem to get your hands on an Uberschall if you want one. Cameron modded Marshalls don't come up for sale that often.

Amp will be used for gigging...and I agree with the versatility of a 2 channel. BTW how is the clean channel in the Uberschall?

 

[leib10]

It's okay. Takes effects very well, but by itself it's kind of bland.

 

[squank]

What are you going to use the amp for? Gigging? If so, the two channel Uberschall might be a better fit.

However, you can always seem to get your hands on an Uberschall if you want one. Cameron modded Marshalls don't come up for sale that often.

Amp will be used for gigging...and I agree with the versatility of a 2 channel. BTW how is the clean channel in the Uberschall?

The Rev Blue clean channel is sort of a generic clean. But the Twin Jet's clean channel isn't really clean at all - more like a low gain channel.

 

[FondledDuck]

What are you going to use the amp for? Gigging? If so, the two channel Uberschall might be a better fit.

However, you can always seem to get your hands on an Uberschall if you want one. Cameron modded Marshalls don't come up for sale that often.

Amp will be used for gigging...and I agree with the versatility of a 2 channel. BTW how is the clean channel in the Uberschall?

The Rev Blue clean channel is sort of a generic clean. But the Twin Jet's clean channel isn't really clean at all - more like a low gain channel.

I'm not really after a "squeaky clean" clean channel per se'...I like a little dirt in there. Not to mention, the Marshall has no clean channel at all...

That's what is making this a hard decision. The Uber's clean is eh, and the Marshall has no clean at all...so in my opinion versatility in a dual channel is negligible. I hear that the Marshall will afford me more mids than the Uber...but I know the Ubers sound amazing in their own right...

 

[leib10]

That's not to say the Uber has no mids, and the Rev Blue is most "Marshall-y" Uber of them all. It's also a very easy amp to use in a live situation.

 

[FondledDuck]

That's not to say the Uber has no mids, and the Rev Blue is most "Marshall-y" Uber of them all. It's also a very easy amp to use in a live situation.

Interesting...the Rev Blue is most Marshall-like...I like that. Are Ubers kind of noisy amps?

 

[leib10]

Nope, especially if you replace the Chinese preamp tubes.

 

[squank]

What are you going to use the amp for? Gigging? If so, the two channel Uberschall might be a better fit.

However, you can always seem to get your hands on an Uberschall if you want one. Cameron modded Marshalls don't come up for sale that often.

Amp will be used for gigging...and I agree with the versatility of a 2 channel. BTW how is the clean channel in the Uberschall?

The Rev Blue clean channel is sort of a generic clean. But the Twin Jet's clean channel isn't really clean at all - more like a low gain channel.

I'm not really after a "squeaky clean" clean channel per se'...I like a little dirt in there. Not to mention, the Marshall has no clean channel at all...

That's what is making this a hard decision. The Uber's clean is eh, and the Marshall has no clean at all...so in my opinion versatility in a dual channel is negligible. I hear that the Marshall will afford me more mids than the Uber...but I know the Ubers sound amazing in their own right...

I wouldn't say the versatility of the clean channel is negligible. It's not a terrible clean, and it takes pedals fine.

When gigging, at times I find it much easier to step on a channel switch than rolling back the guitar volume. It's an instant change from clean to dirt (or back to clean). One of the most functional times to use this is right at the end of a song that has a hard ending. If you're running the Uber on high gain, and you want a clean stop at the end, it's great to just stomp on the clean channel switch and you won't have any of the noise that comes from trying to mute your strings for instant silence.

Plus, with the clean channel, you can do cool modulated stuff for song intros that just don't sound as good when dirty.

 

[FondledDuck]

tone wise...which will I be happier with? Kind of an odd question to ask since tone is so subjective.

 

[roodyrocker]

I can't speak for the Cameron modded Marshall as I have not owned one. However, I do have and have giggede with both, an Uberschall Rev Blue as well as Marshall Randy Rhoads (non-master volume JMP). The Uber has lot of useable gain. I usually have the gain on the distortion channel at around 1 o'clock. It works fine for my band which does 80's hard rock covers. The nice thing about the Uber is if you want to turn up that gain knob more you can and it doesn't get all jumbled like other amps do. I have used it with a Bogner 4x12 loaded with Celestion Greenbacks as well as an Uberkab which has an X pattern of Celestion 75w and Vintage 30 speakers. The clean channel isn't bad on the Uber and I dial in a tiny bit of dirt in it which works better live than squeaky clean on this amp. The one downside to the Ubers clean channel is that you have to turn it up quite a bit to keep up volume wise with the distortion channel. If I remember correctly, even Bogner tells you this in their manual. It also has a loop if thats important to you and that loop can either be used for effects or you can set up the volume to work as a boost in reverse if so desired.
My Marshall by contrast, is more mid range than the Uber but less gain. I use a pedal in front of it. On your Cameron modded one there may be no need for this, I don't know. Pinch harmonics are easier to achieve on the Marshall than the Uber, I;m thinking this is due to the Marshalls mid range. An older Marshall amp probably has no loop either unless that was part of the mods done. My Marshall cleans up better by rolling the volume down on the guitar as opposed to the Uber so I really don't mind it being a one channel amp at all live. I don't really have noise issues with either of them but I also use good cables all the way from guitar to pedal board to amp and also run all power through the same Furman Power Factor Pro. Doing this has made it unnecessary for me to use any noise reduction pedals.

Rudy

 

[richardt4520]

No one can really tell you what to get since you're idea of what you like is different from anyone else's and it so subjective. Probably a better choice would be to ask people that have spent time with both which one they preferred and why. I own 2 Camerons right now and it's not because I'm a fanboy or a guy with a lot of disposable income collecting toys. They're just that good. If I could buy an amp off the shelf that sounds and more importantly feels the way those amps do, I'd do it in a heartbeat. I've spent a lot of time with Ubers and just about every other high gain rock amp I could get a hold of, some in the $4000 range, and the Camerons just inspire me to play more than any amp I remember since I was a teenager. You start playing and you don't want to stop. THAT'S neat.

 

[leib10]

Just tried my Rev 2 with the gain maxed out. While it gets a bit mushy for fast rhythm riffs, it sounds GREAT for leads. The higher you turn the gain, the more Marshall it becomes.

 

[FondledDuck]

I can't speak for the Cameron modded Marshall as I have not owned one. However, I do have and have giggede with both, an Uberschall Rev Blue as well as Marshall Randy Rhoads (non-master volume JMP). The Uber has lot of useable gain. I usually have the gain on the distortion channel at around 1 o'clock. It works fine for my band which does 80's hard rock covers. The nice thing about the Uber is if you want to turn up that gain knob more you can and it doesn't get all jumbled like other amps do. I have used it with a Bogner 4x12 loaded with Celestion Greenbacks as well as an Uberkab which has an X pattern of Celestion 75w and Vintage 30 speakers. The clean channel isn't bad on the Uber and I dial in a tiny bit of dirt in it which works better live than squeaky clean on this amp. The one downside to the Ubers clean channel is that you have to turn it up quite a bit to keep up volume wise with the distortion channel. If I remember correctly, even Bogner tells you this in their manual. It also has a loop if thats important to you and that loop can either be used for effects or you can set up the volume to work as a boost in reverse if so desired.
My Marshall by contrast, is more mid range than the Uber but less gain. I use a pedal in front of it. On your Cameron modded one there may be no need for this, I don't know. Pinch harmonics are easier to achieve on the Marshall than the Uber, I;m thinking this is due to the Marshalls mid range. An older Marshall amp probably has no loop either unless that was part of the mods done. My Marshall cleans up better by rolling the volume down on the guitar as opposed to the Uber so I really don't mind it being a one channel amp at all live. I don't really have noise issues with either of them but I also use good cables all the way from guitar to pedal board to amp and also run all power through the same Furman Power Factor Pro. Doing this has made it unnecessary for me to use any noise reduction pedals.

Rudy

Thanks for the insight, I appreciate it.