V30 & GB mix??

[AXISJAM]

Anyone running heritage greenbacks with V30's
In a 4x12 or is the db difference to great?

 

[AXISJAM]

Anyone?

 

[Mr. Willy]

Which Heritages you referring to? The G12H(75 and 55hz) are both 100db, same as the V30. The G12M is 96db. Chinese GB is 98db. I believe Celestion recommends keeping the db's when mixing within two 2db's to avoid one speaker drowning the other out. FWIW, I'm currently running two Chinese GB's on top with two V30's on bottom in my Bogner cab, and it sounds pretty dang good. I don't hear any speakers drowning the others out. I am getting a bit tired of mixing though and will probably settle on a quad of the same speaker soon.

 

[AXISJAM]

Evh celestion to be exact,what about weber 1225
What's there db?

 

[blackie13]

I was using two different cabs...
one with greenbacks(mojo),one bogner with V30's(slaved through different power amp in order to keep the v30's volume down)
Played well in some cases...
but I keep enjoying 4 greenbacks RI more...

I also had the EVH 412 with heritage greenbacks...
Worse greenback or greenback clone you can get for hot rodded tones FOR ME...
The lack of doping makes the speaker's mids completely out of control even when not pused that hard...
Stick to the reissue or get a scumback...

 

[Mr. Willy]

Evh celestion to be exact,what about weber 1225
What's there db?

EVH Celestions are relabeled Heritage Greenbacks. They're rated at 96db, so V30's would not mix well in the same cab. I have no experience with Weber speakers.

 

[siggy14]

I was using two different cabs...
one with greenbacks(mojo),one bogner with V30's(slaved through different power amp in order to keep the v30's volume down)
Played well in some cases...
but I keep enjoying 4 greenbacks RI more...

I also had the EVH 412 with heritage greenbacks...
Worse greenback or greenback clone you can get for hot rodded tones...
The lack of doping makes the speaker's mids completely out of control even when not pused that hard...
Stick to the reissue or get a scumback...

Love my EVH cab with both my EVH 50 watter and my triple rec and my roadking. Great cabs and great speaker.

 

[John4021]

Evh celestion to be exact,what about weber 1225
What's there db?

EVH Celestions are relabeled Heritage Greenbacks. They're rated at 96db, so V30's would not mix well in the same cab. I have no experience with Weber speakers.

Just saved me an hour or so of work. When I started to read this
I got a brain fart and decided to start swapping my two EVH greenies on top of two V-30's.

But wait,are the EVH's that far off from what Friedman and Bogner are using in there "Greenbacks over V-30's" cabs?

 

[glassjaw7]

I think those cabs are sporting the Chinese reissues. (98dB).

Not sure about how they differ in a V30 mix but on their own I'd say the reissues have a more dry crunchy sound while the heritage are a touch less crunchy and "metallic" on chords, and a bit more syrupy and warm on leads.

 

[Mr. Willy]

Evh celestion to be exact,what about weber 1225
What's there db?

EVH Celestions are relabeled Heritage Greenbacks. They're rated at 96db, so V30's would not mix well in the same cab. I have no experience with Weber speakers.

Just saved me an hour or so of work. When I started to read this
I got a brain fart and decided to start swapping my two EVH greenies on top of two V-30's.

But wait,are the EVH's that far off from what Friedman and Bogner are using in there "Greenbacks over V-30's" cabs?

4db difference is significant. The 100db V30 will be noticeably louder than the 96db greenies. Bogner uses reissue (Chinese) greenbacks (98db). Think Friedman does to, not sure. I've never played the EVH greenies, but my understanding from what I've read is that they're not too far off tone wise from reissues, but there's that db difference you need to consider if you wanna mix them with V30's.

 

[John4021]

Ok,thanks.
I might still try it .
But will it be that noticable the V-30's will stick out and/or wash out the EVH's?

 

[Mr. Willy]

Ok,thanks.
I might still try it .
But will it be that noticable the V-30's will stick out and/or wash out the EVH's?

Might as well try it and see how you like it. You'll never know until you do. I do think the V30's will drown out the EVH's though. Throw them in there and report back.

 

[AXISJAM]

Ok,thanks.
I might still try it .
But will it be that noticable the V-30's will stick out and/or wash out the EVH's?

Yes...please report back

 

[siggy14]

Ok,thanks.
I might still try it .
But will it be that noticable the V-30's will stick out and/or wash out the EVH's?

I would put the two Greenies on the top and the two V30's on the bottem and that might even them out. Remember when playing live you are usually only mic'd to one speaker anyway

 

[John4021]

Ok friends,here we go.
I'll try to give a decent bias'd report.
Amps used:
Bogner Twin Jet KT88 power tubes
Diezel Herbert 2 Wing C EL34's/4 Wing C 6L6's
Diezel Hagen KT77's
I have three other 100 watt Plexi style heads. Maybe a report with those another time.

Cab is a Marshall 1960 Lead. Several(if you call em that) updates.
While it came with the GT 75's I re-did;
Wiring
Scumback old style metal Marshall handles
Added the same Bogner type Batting to the back pannel
Swapped the stock input plate(that mono/stereo switch)
for a standard jack plate.

Now,I have a few other 4x12's to let you know I just don't judge
what I did here to one cab. Other cabs are;
Scumback straight w/scumback H75 65 watters
Marshall Hand Wired Slant w/Scumback M76 65watters
Diezel USA cab w/Eminence's version of the GTK100 rear loaded(someone correct me if they know what they are exactly)

Ok, here we go.
Casters off,cab on the floor
V-30'2 on bottom/EVH's on top

Bogner TJ seems to gel really well with it.
For some reason it blends the speakers better than the other amps.
Diezel Herbert was best in the 2nd channel in "minus" mode.
The V-30's stuck out a lot. Real bottom end'y
Diezel Hagen did kinda the same thing but seemed to like the cab better than the Herbert.
V-30's still are the dominate sound but the Hagen opened it up better. Not as bass'y
Maybe the power tube's made the difference here,dont know.

Bottom line.
YES,the 4db makes a difference for sure.
Will I keep the V-30/EVH mix? I'm going to leave it alone for now.
I'd probably sell the EVH'S and buy the Chinese 98db greenbacks if I want to keep the cab his way.

Hope this helps.......I need a BEER.

 

[John4021]

....a side note to you kid's from your ol Unkle John.
While I was swapping speakers in the Marshall cab,I decided to swap two Scumback H75 65 watter's
into a Bogner OS 2x12. Which by the way is a BIG IMPROVEMENT (to my ears anyway)

As I picked up the cab,I hear a rattle.Figured it was the slide lok casters.
I go to pull the casters off and I hear this"something sliding inside"
My dumbass left a set of needle nose pliers in the cab.

So,count your tools BEFORE you button up the cab

 

[AXISJAM]

Ok friends,here we go.
I'll try to give a decent bias'd report.
Amps used:
Bogner Twin Jet KT88 power tubes
Diezel Herbert 2 Wing C EL34's/4 Wing C 6L6's
Diezel Hagen KT77's
I have three other 100 watt Plexi style heads. Maybe a report with those another time.

Cab is a Marshall 1960 Lead. Several(if you call em that) updates.
While it came with the GT 75's I re-did;
Wiring
Scumback old style metal Marshall handles
Added the same Bogner type Batting to the back pannel
Swapped the stock input plate(that mono/stereo switch)
for a standard jack plate.

Now,I have a few other 4x12's to let you know I just don't judge
what I did here to one cab. Other cabs are;
Scumback straight w/scumback H75 65 watters
Marshall Hand Wired Slant w/Scumback M76 65watters
Diezel USA cab w/Eminence's version of the GTK100 rear loaded(someone correct me if they know what they are exactly)

Ok, here we go.
Casters off,cab on the floor
V-30'2 on bottom/EVH's on top

Bogner TJ seems to gel really well with it.
For some reason it blends the speakers better than the other amps.
Diezel Herbert was best in the 2nd channel in "minus" mode.
The V-30's stuck out a lot. Real bottom end'y
Diezel Hagen did kinda the same thing but seemed to like the cab better than the Herbert.
V-30's still are the dominate sound but the Hagen opened it up better. Not as bass'y
Maybe the power tube's made the difference here,dont know.

Bottom line.
YES,the 4db makes a difference for sure.
Will I keep the V-30/EVH mix? I'm going to leave it alone for now.
I'd probably sell the EVH'S and buy the Chinese 98db greenbacks if I want to keep the cab his way.

Hope this helps.......I need a BEER.

Thanks man that helps heaps.........

 

[cheesey]

Ok this a really old thread but im late
To the speaker mix party .
I have 2 bogner 4x12A cabs . 1997
With Original Greenbacks.
And a newer one from 2015
With V30s.
I dont want to touch the greenback
Cab its great . The v30 cab is a bit
Shrill on the high end for me.
I bought a pair of UK GBs to put
Over thd V30's.
Anyone have a preference of which
Speaker to mic at live performances?
My gut says greenback for a smoother
Top end.
Amp is a 97 Bogner 101B

 

[LP Freak]

Ok this a really old thread but im late
To the speaker mix party .
I have 2 bogner 4x12A cabs . 1997
With Original Greenbacks.
And a newer one from 2015
With V30s.
I dont want to touch the greenback
Cab its great . The v30 cab is a bit
Shrill on the high end for me.
I bought a pair of UK GBs to put
Over thd V30's.
Anyone have a preference of which
Speaker to mic at live performances?
My gut says greenback for a smoother
Top end.
Amp is a 97 Bogner 101B

I mic the GB

 

[crwnedblasphemy]

I hated the EVH greenbacks. Cab was too dark and thin sounding. Also kinda blanket over the speakers.

Yesterday I brought my EVH 2x12 Combo to jam practice with another guitarist, and the reissue Greenbacks sounded way better. It cut just fine, and I could hear myself fine. I was worried cuz I was playing a Splawn 4x12 before with the Stealth, and although the 2x12 combo didn't sound quite as 3D, it flowed in the mix really nice. All channels instead of being woofy and too big.

I might be done with 4x12's?