VH4, Herbert, or Einstien?

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I'm thinking of getting another amp. I currently own a Bad Cat Hot Cat 30R and I used to own an Uberschall (which I liked more than my Hot Cat).

I'm looking at another Uberschall, VH4, Einstien, or Herbert.

I played a VH4, very briefly, and liked what I heard (it was running through a Mesa Standard Recto 4x12).

I'm also possibly getting a new guitar (PRS Custom 22 or Les Paul Custom). I may be swapping in a Duncan JB, Lindy Fralin humbucker, or Bareknuckle into the bridge of either.

As far as clean tones go, I like a nice, warm, enveloping tone. Something that surrounds you and is harmonically rich, with a little bit of glassyness on top. I love the clean tones of a Vox AC-30 and a Bogner Shiva EL-34 Reverb.

For low to mid gain, I like something that has a good deal of upper mid harmonics and responds well to the guitar's volume control. I HATE crunch. I really do. I prefer a darker, mellow tone with a hint of sparkle on the top end. But, no crunch. For some examples, I like the tone of any Percy Hill song (mix of smooth jazz, funk, rock, and jam band), Moe. (jam band, rock), and some of the tones from Porcupine Tree (although, they use Bad Cat). David Gilmore's lead tone is fantastic as well. I need something that produces nice harmonic overtones during a note's decay.

For high gain, I like something that's rough around the edges; something with a pleasant top-end, a raw mid-range, and a tight, focused bottom. But all of that with a mean chainsaw/motorcycle like growl. I don't really like overly saturated tones but sometimes I like to mess around with them.

I'm not really a super high gain player. I really like the tone that Adam Jones has. Killswitch Engage has some good tones, but they can be a little too crunchy sometimes and I didn't like the Framus amp I used to have and I'm not willing to buy an SLO. A Perfect Circle has some good sounds too, but my style isn't as hi-fi as their stuff.

I like my Hot Cat, but I don't think I want to use a Class A amp anymore.

The Bogner XTC has some good tones, but it's too complicated of an amp for me. The more options I have available, soundwise, the more time I spend messing around with everything trying to search for a specific sound.

So, because there are literally ZERO stores which stock a VH4 or Herbert and I'll be buying one sight-unseen. This means I won't be able to play it before hand to see if I like it.

Ideally I'd be able to A/B both amps back to back to compare. But, I can't.

Any suggestions or some good, detailed descriptions of each amp's character? I've listened to clips, but they don't really give an accurate representation of how the amp will sound in person.

The simplicity of the Einstien and it's more vintage-sounding character interests me, but I also need to have a modern rhythm sound on tap and the tightness that goes with it.
 
Sounds like you want a VH-4. Herbert might be too saturated for your taste afa high-gain goes. The VH-4 can do pretty much everything you mentioned.
 
Where do you live?
Maybe some forummembers live nearby so you could try their amps.
 
I currently live in Japan but will be returning to Connecticut until Jan. 5th for the holidays.
 
lol, interesting...

From what others have said in the past, the Herbert is more saturated and compressed than the VH4 or Einstien. However, I'm not so sure I like saturated and compressed. I prefer a raw, open, airy tone. There are times where I prefer a smoother, compressed, saturated sound...but, I'd rather have the former than the later.

Still think the Herbert is the one I should go for?

Maybe I'll have to wait a year until I can find a store that actually has one so I can try one out.

I don't like the idea of buying such an expensive amp without trying it first.
 
More compressed: VH4

More headroom, less compressed, more airy: Herbert.

Definitely.
 
duesentrieb":70b40 said:
More compressed: VH4

More headroom, less compressed, more airy: Herbert.

Definitely.

Ah, my mistake. :)

I just did a few searches on youtube for various clips (I know, not the best representation of an amp) and the Einstein really has a fantastic character to it.

I really need to find a place to compare all three amps.
 
Einstein is cool little screamer. Older (like myself) guys love ch1/mode 2 to death. With mode three it gets very heavy - and lead is simply awesome.
 
What part of CT are you coming back to? I live in central CT and I have an Einstein you could possibly check out. PM me if you want details.
 
The Einie does modern rhythm, no worries. I don't tend to use the ch1/mode2 'Texas' mode, but the clean is really nice. I'd certainly recommend the footswitch mod, btw. Not a complicated amp for the user but it sounds great wherever you put the dials, unlike my Rectifier!!

Obviously Adam Jones uses a VH4. It's a preference thing but I prefer the voicing of the Einstein when I A/B them. Still, though, the Einstein will do Tool-esqe volume rolls, tight picking, open sounding chords and absolutely controllable feedback if you have the guitar for it.

The Herb is another matter, it does high gain insanity better then either of the others (IMO) but for a Luddite like me who wants to turn something on & it works with no frills... the Einstein!
 
I'm pretty sure I seen a diezel dealer on some of the japanese sites that I've been on, I can't remember which store it was but I was looking at esp custom shop guitars and I saw a diezel banner in the back ground. Might have been big boss or digimart.
 
You're Welcome to stop by my place is Springfield MA if you're not too far down in CT and try the VH-4 man..
 
I'm in an isolated part of Hokkaido and most of the dealers of Diezel are in/near Tokyo...It would cost me $500 and a plane ride to get to a dealer.

However, there is a dealer in a city close to me. But, the culture is different here. You can't just walk into a store and test out gear. You have to actually be about to buy it and I'm not going to buy an amp here because the exchange rate would make it more expensive for me and I'd have to ship it back to the states and that would cost $$$$$$.

guitarman967":ccf32 said:
You're Welcome to stop by my place is Springfield MA if you're not too far down in CT and try the VH-4 man..

Springfield is like a 45 min. drive, so it's a possibility.
 
hairychris444":a6b31 said:
The Einie does modern rhythm, no worries. I don't tend to use the ch1/mode2 'Texas' mode, but the clean is really nice. I'd certainly recommend the footswitch mod, btw. Not a complicated amp for the user but it sounds great wherever you put the dials, unlike my Rectifier!!

Obviously Adam Jones uses a VH4. It's a preference thing but I prefer the voicing of the Einstein when I A/B them. Still, though, the Einstein will do Tool-esqe volume rolls, tight picking, open sounding chords and absolutely controllable feedback if you have the guitar for it.

The Herb is another matter, it does high gain insanity better then either of the others (IMO) but for a Luddite like me who wants to turn something on & it works with no frills... the Einstein!

Yep Jones uses a VH-4 and I dig his tone. But, I don't really need to copy what he's doing. I assume that all three Diezel's have a similar, fundamental character because they are all...well...Diezel.

I really like the idea of a simple amp with not a lot of features, too. I'll just have to wait and play each one before I make a decision.

Money isn't really an issue at the moment, but it's still a big decision when we're talking $3,000+ for a guitar amp.
 
FourT6and2":6a36f said:
I'm in an isolated part of Hokkaido and most of the dealers of Diezel are in/near Tokyo...It would cost me $500 and a plane ride to get to a dealer.

However, there is a dealer in a city close to me. But, the culture is different here. You can't just walk into a store and test out gear. You have to actually be about to buy it and I'm not going to buy an amp here because the exchange rate would make it more expensive for me and I'd have to ship it back to the states and that would cost $$$$$$.

guitarman967":6a36f said:
You're Welcome to stop by my place is Springfield MA if you're not too far down in CT and try the VH-4 man..

Springfield is like a 45 min. drive, so it's a possibility.

If You are in Japan call Fujino at Moridaira,

Domo arigato
 
Peter Diezel":5c485 said:
FourT6and2":5c485 said:
I'm in an isolated part of Hokkaido and most of the dealers of Diezel are in/near Tokyo...It would cost me $500 and a plane ride to get to a dealer.

However, there is a dealer in a city close to me. But, the culture is different here. You can't just walk into a store and test out gear. You have to actually be about to buy it and I'm not going to buy an amp here because the exchange rate would make it more expensive for me and I'd have to ship it back to the states and that would cost $$$$$$.

guitarman967":5c485 said:
You're Welcome to stop by my place is Springfield MA if you're not too far down in CT and try the VH-4 man..

Springfield is like a 45 min. drive, so it's a possibility.

If You are in Japan call Fujino at Moridaira,

Domo arigato

Hi, Mr. Diezel!

Moridaira is in Tokyo, That's like 1,000 miles from where I am. There is a dealer near me (4 hour train ride) but I feel bad about going in there and playing their gear because I'm not going to buy from them even if I decide on an amp and they really don't like it if people just walk in off the street and fool around with their stuff with no intention of buying. And also because I can't really get the amp back to the USA.

I'll have to wait until I get back to the USA to purchase an amp.

Otsukaresamadesu!
 
FourT6and2":897af said:
hairychris444":897af said:
The Einie does modern rhythm, no worries. I don't tend to use the ch1/mode2 'Texas' mode, but the clean is really nice. I'd certainly recommend the footswitch mod, btw. Not a complicated amp for the user but it sounds great wherever you put the dials, unlike my Rectifier!!

Obviously Adam Jones uses a VH4. It's a preference thing but I prefer the voicing of the Einstein when I A/B them. Still, though, the Einstein will do Tool-esqe volume rolls, tight picking, open sounding chords and absolutely controllable feedback if you have the guitar for it.

The Herb is another matter, it does high gain insanity better then either of the others (IMO) but for a Luddite like me who wants to turn something on & it works with no frills... the Einstein!

Yep Jones uses a VH-4 and I dig his tone. But, I don't really need to copy what he's doing. I assume that all three Diezel's have a similar, fundamental character because they are all...well...Diezel.

I really like the idea of a simple amp with not a lot of features, too. I'll just have to wait and play each one before I make a decision.

Money isn't really an issue at the moment, but it's still a big decision when we're talking $3,000+ for a guitar amp.

Absolutely - there are tonal similarities although the amps are definitely flavoured differently, and they all behave in the same general ballpark when the stages of gain are added. Which one you like is down to taste...

It'll definitely be worth trying to check out some of these guys amps if you're able. :rock: It sounds like the cultural thing in Japan is a bit of a nightmare for buying kit!!

I know that they are *relatively* more expensive then a lot of amps in the US, but to put them in perspective from a European point of view, the 100w Einie is about the same price as a Mesa Dual Rectifier (3400usd approx at current rates). I own both and I can tell you which one I use pretty much exclusively...
 
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