VH4 Tones, Clips Inside, Post Yours

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Finally got a VH4 and couldn't be happier. I've recorded over 30 heads and this one is definitely my favorite so far. I've heard the Herbert in person and Chan 3 is the ultimate, but the VH4 offers everything I need so I couldn't resist.

Both clips are
Ibanez RG7420, EMG 81-7, VH4 Channel 4, 31 Band EQ, BBE 422a (set to 0 on each knob)
Cabinet = Randall NXT (Celestion Century G12 Neodymiums)
Mic = SM57 (two pieces of tape widths away from the dust cap)
Zaolla Mic Cables throughout

Clip 1 is through my DAV Preamp and Distressor (2:1 ratio).
Clip 2 is literally raw into the mixing board.

This was my first trial with it through Cubase and seeing how my live settings were vs the recording booth. I'll see what I think of it in a few days and then try it with my Sinister 7 guitar to see if it adds any extra bite (no tone knob).



 

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Welcome on board, Sinister !

The clips sound great, but You will need
some extra high mids to cut in the mix.
Please first check the mic position.
 
Thanks for the reply Peter, you're right on with the EQ comment, I added .5 db from 800 to 4k and it's the extra bite I needed.

Keep up the awesome work, you clearly know how to make amplifiers and customers happy. :thumbsup:
 
Here is the newest clip, my custom 7 string with the same 81-7 but I added one more hour on the treb knob and slightly added some presence to get it more inline with the 2pm position.

Curious Peter if this is getting closer to your high mid addition?
When I added it in the EQ it didn't make an impact like the Treb knob did one more hour.

 

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Figured I'd post with my final tweak in case anyone not familiar with the amp is curious what the VH4 is like stock.

Here is what I'll be recording with, added .5 db more from 1600 to 4k and then a gradual smile from 5k to 20k to help bring it forward more. I could've moved the mic a tad more inward but I like how the lead and clean channel sounded in the darker mic spot so it's killer live too.


 

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Can You record with 2 dB more in the range
of 2 - 4 kHz ?

Thanks,

Peter
 
It's really hard to say anything without hearing it in the mix. My opinion: Your amp was better EQed in your earlier takes, as you are adding more & more high end, you are starting to loose the foundation. I'd roll back on highs, turn the master up a bit & move the mic away from the speaker, it's simply sounds too close & doesn't pickup any of the room sound. But then, I'm an idiot, so whatever it might be worth.
 
No prob Peter, I'll try the extra high mid bump and see what that does.

Initially I just wanted to hear what the head sounded like at 100% of the mix so you can really hear it's qualities. I was hoping others would post some clips as the stuff online is either via a Camcorder (horrible for tone judging) or in a mix which is like hearing 25% of it's tone at best. I'll try to include it into a mix soon to give an idea of how my tone sits.

I'll also try with the SM57 back 1" and 2" (caveman method of 1 and 2 thumbs away :thumbsup:) to see how that changes things. Personally, I'm not a fan of getting any of the room in the guitar tone for Rock or Metal but I'm curious now.

BTW, channel and master are on 5, but the heads FX in is seeing 10% of the Preamps original volume due to a rack piece lowering it for volume needs through the speakers. I don't want the speakers to break up any more than they already are but want to keep the pre & power amp tubes in the sweet spot.
 
Please don´t get me wrong ....... it sounds
like I would set the amp and it is fantastic.
I´m not sure, what happens in the mix.
If You can give a lot of volume between
the other instruments it will sound very fat.
If You destroy the singer and the band You need
more presence to get through with less volume.

It´s only my opinion and we have a lot of recording
champs here on the board.
 
I've updated this post with the clips in order of how I recorded them from oldest to newest.
All these clips are WITHOUT the preamp and compressor and just so happen to go in order of darkest to clearest.











Keep in mind what monitors you're hearing the clips on plays a role in how you perceive the tone vs someone else. I'm leaning towards the +1db @ 2k-4k now as they sound like a mastered guitar on my Yamaha HS80's.

The 2" from the grille clip is not Pro IMO and I wouldn't have purchased this head if that's the only clip I'd had heard of the VH4. It's clear to me why I never recorded Rock/Metal guitars with that technique.

I'll get a short clip of the +1db tone in a song soon, gotta go.
 

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Excellent! It gets better and better I like it a lot! At last some proper recording, congrats
 
Peter just curious, are you referring to the 2" from the Grille sample or how the post left an extra +1db 2-4k attachment at the bottom?
 
It would be interesting to hear this guitar in the mix :)

Here´s an instrumentalpart I recorded last week. Ist the "pre-recording" but I used it to train my mixingskills (that I do not have) :D What do you think?
 

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:lol: :LOL: Ich hab gedacht so überhört man eher meine Fehler... Wenns Demo fertig ist schick ichs natürlich mal rum, mit nem Spezial-Diezel-Mix!! :rock:
 
Got a chance today to put the VH4 into an old SAGE4 song to see how it sounds in a mix. I used a newer tone version, it's only .5db from 2-4k since I liked both the treb 2 and +1db. :lol: :LOL: I'll never be able to just pick one tone from amp. :rock:

BTW, the melody guitar in the Prechor/Chorus is my melody tone on Chan 3, gain around 4pm.

1) I made the guitars at least 1db louder each in this mix because I wanted them to stick out more than usual to get an idea of how this tone lays into the mix vs just the stereo guitars alone.

2) This is mastered and there is a small bump in the 80-120htz and then a gradual smile from 1200 to 20k so it's a tad brighter than even the +1db take.



I did another version that added a little more 1200 to 20k but it wasn't that noticeable, I wouldn't go this route personally.

 

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I'm listening on my laptop, so can't tell for sure, but as far as I can tell, your 2" away clip was definitely a move in the right direction.
 
The second clip sound better to me. I would reduce the EQ about 200-500 Hz to remove this "rehearsal-room"-sound ;) Perhaps this will make the mix more "airy" :rock:
 
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