VH4 Tubes - Advice please

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Play the Diezel Amps and worry about the other stuff if and when you need to. If you need help, that is what we are here for and we are happy to help you. Less forums, less tube changes, more guitar playing and amp usage :D :rock:
 
What's wrong experimenting with different type of tubes if this will give me the sound I'm after, am I missing something? :confused:
Anyway, I'll pull out the Sovteks preamps and the 6L6, and in goes the Ruby 12AX7AC7 and the Winged C 6550. If I don't like it I just switch back (or maybe try some EL34) :)

Thanks for your advice guys, really appreciate it!
 
Vigier Arpege":2km61dtv said:
What's wrong experimenting with different type of tubes if this will give me the sound I'm after, am I missing something? :confused:
Anyway, I'll pull out the Sovteks preamps and the 6L6, and in goes the Ruby 12AX7AC7 and the Winged C 6550. If I don't like it I just switch back (or maybe try some EL34) :)

Thanks for your advice guys, really appreciate it!
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There is nothing wrong with changing tubes in and of itself. The reality is different tubes have different sized tube pins. This can cause wear and tear on your tube sockets. That wear and tear can cause issues long term with your amp. Not properly biasing, all kinds of things can lead to issues. Trying to be a tech when you are not tech savvy can cause issues and there are dangerous voltages inside the amp that can shock you and hurt you badly or possibly kill you. At the end of the day, is it really worth it? Does such and such tube really make that much difference? Yes and no. We are talking minimal changes and yes those minimal changes can have a positive impact for sure. We get amps in for repair that have been butchered because people want to play techie when they shouldn't be touching anything inside the amp. I have come across instances where a customer will buy the amp, and right away want to change tubes to get "this type of sound" and it makes no sense to me. Play the amp, learn the amp, see what it can do as we created it and you might be surprised at what the amp can do. If you have exhausted all options, then possibly a change is understood. I know we all want the best tone possible and I am included in this idea, however, if all my time is spent chasing a sound in my head or trying to figure out what goes in V1 and V4 and if you blended power tubes is it the inner or the outer? Which tube should you take out first and should you replace said tube with your right or left hand....;) These kind of things make no sense to me and it is at this point where I think we have lost focus of what this is all about which is playing, having fun, coming up with cool new ideas and getting better, no matter how good we are or how much we suck......it is about having fun, enjoying life and making music (at any level). When we lose sight of this we are in trouble no matter good of a player we are or how successful we may be. Keep it fun and simple and create. Turn knobs, use your volume pot, pickup selector, and play as much as your schedule allows. Enjoy life to the fullest in doing so. :thumbsup:
 
Vigier Arpege":2t44ulri said:
What's wrong experimenting with different type of tubes if this will give me the sound I'm after, am I missing something? :confused:
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Yes, it's unconstitutional.
 
Duolos":131itmeh said:
Vigier Arpege":131itmeh said:
What's wrong experimenting with different type of tubes if this will give me the sound I'm after, am I missing something? :confused:
Anyway, I'll pull out the Sovteks preamps and the 6L6, and in goes the Ruby 12AX7AC7 and the Winged C 6550. If I don't like it I just switch back (or maybe try some EL34) :)

Thanks for your advice guys, really appreciate it!
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There is nothing wrong with changing tubes in and of itself. The reality is different tubes have different sized tube pins. This can cause wear and tear on your tube sockets. That wear and tear can cause issues long term with your amp. Not properly biasing, all kinds of things can lead to issues. Trying to be a tech when you are not tech savvy can cause issues and there are dangerous voltages inside the amp that can shock you and hurt you badly or possibly kill you. At the end of the day, is it really worth it? Does such and such tube really make that much difference? Yes and no. We are talking minimal changes and yes those minimal changes can have a positive impact for sure. We get amps in for repair that have been butchered because people want to play techie when they shouldn't be touching anything inside the amp. I have come across instances where a customer will buy the amp, and right away want to change tubes to get "this type of sound" and it makes no sense to me. Play the amp, learn the amp, see what it can do as we created it and you might be surprised at what the amp can do. If you have exhausted all options, then possibly a change is understood. I know we all want the best tone possible and I am included in this idea, however, if all my time is spent chasing a sound in my head or trying to figure out what goes in V1 and V4 and if you blended power tubes is it the inner or the outer? Which tube should you take out first and should you replace said tube with your right or left hand....;) These kind of things make no sense to me and it is at this point where I think we have lost focus of what this is all about which is playing, having fun, coming up with cool new ideas and getting better, no matter how good we are or how much we suck......it is about having fun, enjoying life and making music (at any level). When we lose sight of this we are in trouble no matter good of a player we are or how successful we may be. Keep it fun and simple and create. Turn knobs, use your volume pot, pickup selector, and play as much as your schedule allows. Enjoy life to the fullest in doing so. :thumbsup:
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HEAR HEAR!!! :thumbsup:
 
Totally agree with you on this :yes: . Turning knobs on my amp/guitar, my pickup position, string gauge, cabs and playing technique +++ will have a lot more influence on the overall sound. But I've had success experimenting with different type of tubes before in other amps so the reason I asked you guys about tubes in the VH4 is because I haven't had enough time with it yet and needed some tips from more experienced VH4-users.
After many years of playing different kinds of gear I've seen that "little" details or tweaks can make a huge impact in my sound and thats what matters to me, so I'll never stop experimenting with this.

It would probably be a better idea to learn and play the amp more before I start experimenting with tubes in the VH4.

Anyway, I'll pull out the 6L6s and in goes the 6550s, very gently with my right hand ;)

Thanks again for your advice.
 
I like the VH4 with JJ E34Ls, but keep in mind that I used to play that thing really loud & the sound I got from these tubes driven was awesome, especially on ch2 & 3, but then again I used EVM12Ls more often than not. Hey, if you want to move your sound to the next level, buying a couple of EVM12Ls might be just the thing for you, that if you have a good cabinet already.
 
How's the bottom end in these EVM12Ls, is it tight?
The V30s are OK but I'm not a big fan of them, I find them a bit uncontrolled in the upper frequencies especially at high gain.
 
I can't really give you a clear cut answer whether the bottom end is tighter on EVMs compared to v30s or not. These 2 speakers sound so drastically different from each other that comparing them makes pretty much no sense. EVMs are full & broad sounding speakers with very deep lows & highs & they don't squeal or crap out at high volumes like v30s.
 
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