VIK guitars drama

[King Guitar]

I must live on the Moon, I thought Vick was fighting Dogs in Atlanta?

 

[chunktone]

I'm not sure what was said. By the things stated in this thread i'm guessing it was an anti gay remark. Why does he have to be ok with it? If he feels it's wrong thats his opinion. Why demonize him?

Generally, people don't want to support others who have immoral beliefs.

I haven't heard about any of this because I don't have any association with the bizarre internet click that's infatuated with Vik and similar guitars.

Immoral beliefs? If he is catholic....? I'll stop. Tolerance in this country really means tolerate the liberal leftwing views.

So what you're saying is, the correct way to treat intolerance is to tolerate it?

Well, the correct(not PC) answer is yes. If you're expecting tolerance from others, ie following the marching orders of the left, you either tolerate others yourself,(not part of the marching orders) or reveal your hypocrisy.

 

[Heritage Softail]

He can believe anything he wants.

But attaching a belief system to a business will bring consequences.

We are free to support the genital mutilation of women, superiority of men, keeping women from education, and incarceration of gays.

And do not speak out against those beliefs either. You would be intolerant.

 

[JTyson]

I'm not sure what was said. By the things stated in this thread i'm guessing it was an anti gay remark. Why does he have to be ok with it? If he feels it's wrong thats his opinion. Why demonize him?

Generally, people don't want to support others who have immoral beliefs.

I haven't heard about any of this because I don't have any association with the bizarre internet click that's infatuated with Vik and similar guitars.

Immoral beliefs? If he is catholic....? I'll stop. Tolerance in this country really means tolerate the liberal leftwing views.

This.....
Just ask them http://hotair.com/archives/2014/05/14/v ... -with-him/

 

[rlord1974]

We are free to support the genital mutilation of women, superiority of men, keeping women from education, and incarceration of gays.

WTF dude? Do you really believe that? Are we living in the dark ages here still?

 

[dfrattaroli]

Yes, you're free to believe and say what you want in this country. You're also accountable. And if you happen to be a business owner and you publicize your beliefs, you are going to alienate a percentage of the public. And at the end of the day, I wouldn't feel comfortable doing business with someone who doesn't have the tact or common sense to keep it out of my face as their customer.

All that said, who gives a shit about "Vik" guitars anyway?

 

[yngzaklynch]

I'm not sure what was said. By the things stated in this thread i'm guessing it was an anti gay remark. Why does he have to be ok with it? If he feels it's wrong thats his opinion. Why demonize him?

Generally, people don't want to support others who have immoral beliefs.

I haven't heard about any of this because I don't have any association with the bizarre internet click that's infatuated with Vik and similar guitars.

Immoral beliefs? If he is catholic....? I'll stop. Tolerance in this country really means tolerate the liberal leftwing views.

This.....
Just ask them http://hotair.com/archives/2014/05/14/v ... -with-him/

I know. Oh how the left loves to label and demonize. See it our way or we'll call you stupid. What is stupid is expecting everyone to have the same values and viewpoints. I am not for hurting people in anyway. Also don't like being told what I'm to agree with.

 

[dooredge]

I know. Oh how the left loves to label and demonize. See it our way or you're a bigot & a racist. What is stupid is expecting everyone to have the same values and viewpoints. I am not for hurting people in anyway. Also don't like being told what I'm to agree with.

Fixed.

 

[dsquared]

He can believe whatever bullshit he wants and we can all point out what a backward fuckhead he is. Yes, I am intolerant of his hate. LOL at that making me a liberal or part of the left or whatever.

I can't believe some of you guys can't see the forest here. Do yourselves a favor and consider being on the right side of history.

 

[yngzaklynch]

My problem isnt with anyones lifestyle. The guy is being a dousche. But the other thing that seems to exist is the need for everyone to accept things they are not in in agreement with. Ok i'm done. Moving along.

 

[Khoi]

The backlash towards Vik isn't only about his homophobic comments, but a building tension towards him and his customers (endorsers included)

Someone on SSO put it better than I could, but I've been following Vik and his drama for several months now. I think this was the last straw that everyone, endorsers like Nolly and Misha Mansoor included, needed to finally jump ship and disconnect themselves from the Vik name:

- He brought a customer's guitar to NAMM without receiving or even asking permission, and the customer didn't even know until someone spotted it at NAMM. IIRC, the customer still hasn't received the guitar (although that has been blamed on a faulty Graphtech piezo setup).

- He unilaterally canceled customer orders when they publicly complained about delays measured in years then took his sweet time in refunding the money.

- He has customers whose builds have been in waiting for years while orders placed later have been expedited and delivered complete.

- He has completed and auctioned off "rush builds" for significant sums of money while allowing the aforementioned customer builds to languish.

 

[gtrwun]

came out of the closet in public.
Why even have an opinion about it? There are lots of things that come to mind, that make me respect PM and SR.

Why the need to express ones feelings about someone else's sexuality in public?

My question to the above would be this....Why come "out" in a public way and then not expect someone else to not have a "public" opinion based on how he/she feels? I agree with whats been said above about him being a business owner and maybe its not the smartest business decision to voice this publicly.I guess it's just the way it is now a days? If your personal opinions aren't in line with this new age way of thinking, you basically have to keep your hole shut or be persecuted.
My longtime girlfriends daughter is gay and it doesn't bother me in the least and I've never thought twice about it honestly, but this is America and we are supposed to have freedom of speech right? If someone doesn't like it and they want to have an opinion publicly, I have no problem with that.

 

[Beyond Black]

came out of the closet in public.
Why even have an opinion about it? There are lots of things that come to mind, that make me respect PM and SR.

Why the need to express ones feelings about someone else's sexuality in public?

My question to the above would be this....Why come "out" in a public way and then not expect someone else to not have a "public" opinion based on how he/she feels? I agree with whats been said above about him being a business owner and maybe its not the smartest business decision to voice this publicly.I guess it's just the way it is now a days? If your personal opinions aren't in line with this new age way of thinking, you basically have to keep your hole shut or be persecuted.
My longtime girlfriends daughter is gay and it doesn't bother me in the least and I've never thought twice about it honestly, but this is America and we are supposed to have freedom of speech right? If someone doesn't like it and they want to have an opinion publicly, I have no problem with that.

His right to practice freedom of speech IS protected by The First Ammendment. It protects him from being persecuted by the government, not from the public. I guess he didn't learn anything from that "Duck Dynasty" moron.

 

[zuel69]

 

[JimmyBlind]

But the other thing that seems to exist is the need for everyone to accept things they are not in in agreement with.

What do you mean there buddy? I mean, the world is a pretty big place & I really don't understand how anyone can have a problem with what another human being does in their personal lives that indirectly affects others.
I appreciate that catholicism, traditionally, frowns down upon non-conventional sexuality, but it's really a harmless issue and I don't believe anyone should be told, in the name of god, that they have to hate another human being for being attracted to the same sex or have them feel as though they will be eternally punished for it. Hating people for the way they are born is a particularly un-christian virtue and it solidifies my opinion that institutionalised, organised religion is something that should be reformed or abolished. It's tragically ironic how nasty & prejudiced Christians & Muslims etc can be.
People cannot simply choose to be gay or straight, in the same way they cannot choose who their biological parents are. They are born exactly how 'god' intended them to be & they deserve exactly the same rights as everyone else.

Apologies if I've got the wrong end of the stick there man. It's not aimed directly at you.

 

[Beyond Black]

But the other thing that seems to exist is the need for everyone to accept things they are not in in agreement with.

What do you mean there buddy? I mean, the world is a pretty big place & I really don't understand how anyone can have a problem with what another human being does in their personal lives that indirectly affects others.
I appreciate that catholicism, traditionally, frowns down upon non-conventional sexuality, but it's really a harmless issue and I don't believe anyone should be told, in the name of god, that they have to hate another human being for being attracted to the same sex or have them feel as though they will be eternally punished for it. Hating people for the way they are born is a particularly un-christian virtue and it solidifies my opinion that institutionalised, organised religion is something that should be reformed or abolished. It's tragically ironic how nasty & prejudiced Christians & Muslims etc can be.
People cannot simply choose to be gay or straight, in the same way they cannot choose who their biological parents are. They are born exactly how 'god' intended them to be & they deserve exactly the same rights as everyone else.

Apologies if I've got the wrong end of the stick there man. It's not aimed directly at you.

Well said, brotha!

 

[tripstan]

Nothing wrong with voicing your opinion. I have a big fucking problem with people who mistreat other people because they don't see eye to eye. Saying you would charge A person double because they live a certain way or have different beliefs is just wrong.

 

[ejecta]

It's tragically ironic how nasty & prejudiced Christians & Muslims & Atheists & Agnostics & Buddhists etc can be.

Fixed for accuracy.

 

[JimmyBlind]

It's tragically ironic how nasty & prejudiced Christians & Muslims & Atheists & Agnostics & Buddhists etc can be.

Fixed for accuracy.

Indeed. I'm not insinuating that there are not awful people from all walks of life & beliefs. My point was specifically related to the religious institutions that make it gospel acceptable to hate another human being based on their sexuality & actually preach that hatred to millions upon millions upon millions of highly impressionable people. That might be acceptable in the worlds of catholicism, christianity & islam etc, but it doesn't make it actually, morally acceptable in the real, evolved world.

 

[Badronald]

It's tragically ironic how nasty & prejudiced Christians & Muslims & Atheists & Agnostics & Buddhists etc can be.

Fixed for accuracy.

Indeed. I'm not insinuating that there are not awful people from all walks of life & beliefs. My point was specifically related to the religious institutions that make it gospel acceptable to hate another human being based on their sexuality & actually preach that hatred to millions upon millions upon millions of highly impressionable people. That might be acceptable in the worlds of catholicism, christianity & islam etc, but it doesn't make it actually, morally acceptable in the real, evolved world.

Sweet baby Jesus. What a crock. Sweeping generalization upon sweeping generalization.

We sure are making the power brokers job easy for them.

And please explain to me where this evolved world is that you live in. I'd love to see it and hear all about it.