Volume difference Bman A & B

[abrackas]

Hello everyone,

As this seems to be the largest Egnater module community I figured I would join as a new owner of a Mod 50.

The problem I am having is that the volume on Channel A on the Bman module is very low compared to Channel B and even the EG3/4 module I have. Even at max gain and volume on A, I have a hard time hearing it relative to the other 3 available channels which are only running at half gain and volume.

Is this a common problem? Thanks

 

[RockStarNick]

Welcome!

Where do you have your gain set?

Lots of guys here get their volume set with their clean channel, then back down the other volumes to balance it out.

 

[jmgman69]

Welcome!

Where do you have your gain set?

Lots of guys here get their volume set with their clean channel, then back down the other volumes to balance it out.

Welcome to the club!!!

 

[Anonymous]

I noticed this when I first picked up my M4. In my setup the A channels of VX and BMAN are pretty well maxed out. IMO the modules all come alive with the gain right around noon. BMAN is an excellent choice. I absolutely LOVE channel B.

 

[Len Rabinowitz]

I don't have the Mod 50, but on my Tourmaster the clean channels are a lot lower gain when they are set on the "Modern" setting. I assume that is just the way they are supposed to be and either deal with it, or crank it up on the master volume. I'm pretty sure the second clean channel is based on the Bman.

 

[abrackas]

Welcome!

Where do you have your gain set?

Lots of guys here get their volume set with their clean channel, then back down the other volumes to balance it out.

I can give this a try and will let you know how I fare out. It just seems a little strange that the volumes would be that far off.

 

[richedie]

Welcome!

Where do you have your gain set?

Lots of guys here get their volume set with their clean channel, then back down the other volumes to balance it out.

I can give this a try and will let you know how I fare out. It just seems a little strange that the volumes would be that far off.

Drives me nuts too. I think the high gain modules open up when the channel master is about 11-12:00. Since I use the Bass,an for clean, I can't do that with the other channels because the channel 1 Bassman is so low it limits where I set the others!

Some say you can use Jan Phillips 5751 tubes but I would think that would lower headroom? I don't think changing power tubes does much. I sometimes run the Bassman channel A gain to noon which helps but you lose the pristine clean so I am going to mod mine to give it more headroom in channel A.

I am thinking when I eventually get an E2, I may get another modules for my clean like the Deluxe.

Right now, I use my rack effects unit to boost the Bassman channel A up a notch or two!

 

[3 Mile Stone]

Hello everyone,

The problem I am having is that the volume on Channel A on the Bman module is very low compared to Channel B and even the EG3/4 module I have. Even at max gain and volume on A, I have a hard time hearing it relative to the other 3 available channels which are only running at half gain and volume.

Is this a common problem? Thanks

Welcome,

While the A channel Clean Module thing does seem to be a challenge for some users, what you're describing sounds a little worse, more drastic. Max gain and max volume on a Bassman module is louder than piss. Where do you have the master volume of the amp section set? Must be something wrong with one of teh tubes in that module I would guess. That just doesn't sound right.

 

[Len Rabinowitz]

Like I said, I don't have the Mod 50, but you can see modular thinking in the Tourmaster design- It basically has four modules, but you can't remove them.

On the whole I have found the Egnater complicated. I like that, but it did take some getting used to. I find that I am constantly re-eqing and re-setting it depending on what guitar I am playing, playing conditions, etc...

Most amps you can just set everything at 12 o'clock, plug in pretty much anything, and go. The Eggie doesn't work like that. I got used to this amp using Egnater's recommended settings, virtually all of which have boosted bass and treble and cut mids in some form or other, at least for the Tourmaster. Now I am clearer on fooling around with it, but those presets were really useful to get a hold of this thing initially.

Many of the clean channel settings keep the gain low and crank the channel volume- Not what you would always think to do.

In the end, I had to adjust my thinking to the amp a bit, and that took some time.

For the low gain settings, I either don't use them, or I tweak them a bit, or mike them up, or use them only for recording, or when they are appropriate to the situation.

It's worth remembering that many Egnater amps are really flexible, and that can actually take some getting used to. There's some different thinking behind these things.

So- Maybe there is something wrong with your amp, but are you certain? Does the Mod 50 have some suggested pre-sets you could try and fool around with more? Maybe you need to adjust to the amp more?

Many people do experiment with different pre-amp and power tubes, and that may produce something more to your liking, but it doesn't mean that there is something wrong.

I tend to think that, when confronted with a problem, guitar players- me included- often tend to look at adding and complexifying to solve it, when maybe we should look at subtracting and simplifying. I have often solved problems by getting rid of something rather than adding.

Food for thought. Hope you resolve this!

 

[aeroic]

Like I said, I don't have the Mod 50, but you can see modular thinking in the Tourmaster design- It basically has four modules, but you can't remove them.

On the whole I have found the Egnater complicated. I like that, but it did take some getting used to. I find that I am constantly re-eqing and re-setting it depending on what guitar I am playing, playing conditions, etc...

Most amps you can just set everything at 12 o'clock, plug in pretty much anything, and go. The Eggie doesn't work like that. I got used to this amp using Egnater's recommended settings, virtually all of which have boosted bass and treble and cut mids in some form or other, at least for the Tourmaster. Now I am clearer on fooling around with it, but those presets were really useful to get a hold of this thing initially.

Many of the clean channel settings keep the gain low and crank the channel volume- Not what you would always think to do.

In the end, I had to adjust my thinking to the amp a bit, and that took some time.

For the low gain settings, I either don't use them, or I tweak them a bit, or mike them up, or use them only for recording, or when they are appropriate to the situation.

It's worth remembering that many Egnater amps are really flexible, and that can actually take some getting used to. There's some different thinking behind these things.

So- Maybe there is something wrong with your amp, but are you certain? Does the Mod 50 have some suggested pre-sets you could try and fool around with more? Maybe you need to adjust to the amp more?

Many people do experiment with different pre-amp and power tubes, and that may produce something more to your liking, but it doesn't mean that there is something wrong.

I tend to think that, when confronted with a problem, guitar players- me included- often tend to look at adding and complexifying to solve it, when maybe we should look at subtracting and simplifying. I have often solved problems by getting rid of something rather than adding.

Food for thought. Hope you resolve this!

I've owned a Tourmaster, and I felt the learning curve on that amp was much higher than a Mod50. I personally got great tones with it right out of the box. A lot of my settings are not that far of a divergence of straight up noon. I set the density at 9 oclock usually, and the presence around noon to two oclock. I futz w/ gain and master volumes more than EQ. I use the tone knobs on my guitars typically if somethings too bright to roll a bit of highs off (like w/ my tele on the VX module). But I usually don't have any issues setting volumes much.

I do like the DLX and BMAN w/ a JP 5751 in V1. I think it does lower the gain just a bit...but adds a sweetness to it that I really like.

Eric

 

[abrackas]

The following link is a picture of my settings.

I followed the advice of setting the Bman A channel and master to where it sounds right then adjusted the B channel and EG3/4 module to match. On any other amp I have ever owned the Master Volume would be WAY too loud at this setting.

I do not think I could gig this amp with the Bman A channel. Essentially I would not have a clean channel.

If someone else with a Mod 50 and EG3/4 module & Bman could see if there overall volume matches up it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/9744 ... bigger.jpg

 

[jmgman69]

Here's my settings and it gets loud.

 

[EWSEthan]

The following link is a picture of my settings.

I followed the advice of setting the Bman A channel and master to where it sounds right then adjusted the B channel and EG3/4 module to match. On any other amp I have ever owned the Master Volume would be WAY too loud at this setting.

I do not think I could gig this amp with the Bman A channel. Essentially I would not have a clean channel.

If someone else with a Mod 50 and EG3/4 module & Bman could see if there overall volume matches up it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/9744 ... bigger.jpg

That looks almost exactly the same as how I have mine set. I gig with it like that all the time. Sounds great.

 

[RockStarNick]

Abrackas, where are you running your master? If it's where you have it currently shown, don't be afraid to bump it up more.

The Mod50 master volume has a very smooth taper, and really starts to get LOUD loud at around 2-3 o clock on the dial.

Me and Matt run our masters at around 1-2 o clock when we gig and it's plenty loud.

 

[jmgman69]

Abrackas, where are you running your master? If it's where you have it currently shown, don't be afraid to bump it up more.

The Mod50 master volume has a very smooth taper, and really starts to get LOUD loud at around 2-3 o clock on the dial.

Me and Matt run our masters at around 1-2 o clock when we gig and it's plenty loud.

About 2 it starts to OPEN UP!!!

 

[Doubleneck]

The following link is a picture of my settings.

I followed the advice of setting the Bman A channel and master to where it sounds right then adjusted the B channel and EG3/4 module to match. On any other amp I have ever owned the Master Volume would be WAY too loud at this setting.

I do not think I could gig this amp with the Bman A channel. Essentially I would not have a clean channel.

If someone else with a Mod 50 and EG3/4 module & Bman could see if there overall volume matches up it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/9744 ... bigger.jpg

That looks almost exactly the same as how I have mine set. I gig with it like that all the time. Sounds great.

That's almost exactly the same way I have mine set as well, and it sounds great!

 

[richedie]

The following link is a picture of my settings.

I followed the advice of setting the Bman A channel and master to where it sounds right then adjusted the B channel and EG3/4 module to match. On any other amp I have ever owned the Master Volume would be WAY too loud at this setting.

I do not think I could gig this amp with the Bman A channel. Essentially I would not have a clean channel.

If someone else with a Mod 50 and EG3/4 module & Bman could see if there overall volume matches up it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/9744 ... bigger.jpg

Yes, if you run the gain high on the bassman channel A, you get more volume but you lose the pristine clean. The mids helps too. I am shocked you have the density and prescence so high. Maybe not though at that master volume. At rehearsal or gigs, my density and presc. are both around 9:00 since they are more meant for bedroom volumes.

 

[Valtiel]

I've never had a problem with the volume difference. I used to set my Bman channel A to break up on chords but stay clean on single note and finger picking stuff. Volume at about 3 o'clock, gain about 1 o'clock. Then channel B would be fine with the gain anywhere and the volume at around 12.

 

[swimrunner]

More Master! Believe me, you have plenty of room.

 

[richedie]

More Master! Believe me, you have plenty of room.

I know what you mean but I can't get the main master past 11:00 because beyond this it is too loud at rehearsal/gigs. This was mostly when i got my Randall MTS 212 with Neos. This cab is so efficiant and loud, I can't get the master past 11.

On the Bassman, I find gain past 10:00 loses the pristine clean of channel A.