What is your favorite method of recording rock/metal guitars?

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Last year I got a Two Notes Captor X. That has been a game changer. We found to IRs that sounded really good, and we just ran from there. I don't miss having to move mics around for an hour to find the right placement. Not it's plug in and "roll tape." lol!
 
Micing a cab would be my preference but these days I rarely do it....I've been able to get good tones out of IR's though so that's what I usually do
 
Not at all. It's a personal taste thing and dependent on the song, part and production aesthetic. It's generally a gateway to a wider, slicker, fuller sound but if that's not what you want then don't do it. Plenty of great albums aren't doubled.
Yep.

In fact one way is to get two different cabs for one single track to add flavor. One near right, one near left, one guitar part. I've done that many times when I didn't want to double a part. Obviously two amps and two cabs is a great way as I well. However I never liked blending amps as I wanted one singular tonality with the variants of the cab if I wasn't doubling the part most of the time.

No rules, just what sounds good.
 
Yep.

In fact one way is to get two different cabs for one single track to add flavor. One near right, one near left, one guitar part. I've done that many times when I didn't want to double a part. Obviously two amps and two cabs is a great way as I well. However I never liked blending amps as I wanted one singular tonality with the variants of the cab if I wasn't doubling the part most of the time.

No rules, just what sounds good.
So, how do you set this arrangement up in your DAW? Just record one track? Or duplicate the same track but use two different IRs? This sounds more up my alley. I just don't like the doubled-up sound. It takes away from the crispness of my riffs, even when played tight. I do a lot of percussive, single note stuff that is kind of "fast". It just doesn't serve it well. I could see if my style were chugging, but its not, But I would still like to make it sound "wider", so this might be my ticket.

EDIT: I'm a newb so you're going to have to use dummy language.
 
My favorite is to do it old-school, in the room with mics on a loud 4x12. Usually I end up recording direct with my Fractal though.
 
So, how do you set this arrangement up in your DAW? Just record one track? Or duplicate the same track but use two different IRs? This sounds more up my alley. I just don't like the doubled-up sound. It takes away from the crispness of my riffs, even when played tight. I do a lot of percussive, single note stuff that is kind of "fast". It just doesn't serve it well. I could see if my style were chugging, but its not, But I would still like to make it sound "wider", so this might be my ticket.

EDIT: I'm a newb so you're going to have to use dummy language.
No clue on your DAW but yes I would imagine duplicate the track using two different IR's. Sorry, all my recording is usually done with someone else working the controls lol. About the only thing I will insist on is a SM57 close and then let the engineer decide the room mic. Of course you might be able to split the mics into two channels with each channel running a specific IR. Sorry a little out of my realm. However I am just beginning to scratch the home recording thing. I'm still fairly old school when I can be, as @Sneerim said I like being in the room with the cab cranked. I just sit to the side of cab so you avoid feedback. The last actual recording I did for someone else's project we used a combo of live cabs and IR's though.
 
No clue on your DAW but yes I would imagine duplicate the track using two different IR's. Sorry, all my recording is usually done with someone else working the controls lol. About the only thing I will insist on is a SM57 close and then let the engineer decide the room mic. Of course you might be able to split the mics into two channels with each channel running a specific IR. Sorry a little out of my realm.
Ideally I wish this were my situation but I'm stuck with home recording for now
 
It's kind of funny because over the past month I have put literally (and I'm not joking) 15-17 hours per day working with my DAW, trying to write and record music, playing guitar, reading all sorts of technical literature on recording and producing, watching every video that is out there on YT for recording and engineering, etc... I have lost so much sleep. I will stay up until 6 or 7 in the morning more often than not. I got absolutely nowhere for the bulk of that time, and thought I was going to have a mental breakdown at some point. But in just these past few days I have finally started to make some progress in every department, from writing to recording.

It really does take blood sweat and tears for some of us, but when you finally taste that success (even if its just meeting a personal goal that nobody else in the world will know about) its so worth. Almost makes you want to cry when you wake up and its FINALLY there.
 
Last year I got a Two Notes Captor X. That has been a game changer. We found to IRs that sounded really good, and we just ran from there. I don't miss having to move mics around for an hour to find the right placement. Not it's plug in and "roll tape." lol


i know guys like this, actualy the two best players i know. one of them came over to record a solo over some backing track, his setup is a line6 whatever into his computer which he is more than thrilled with, when i told him which amp and gear he was going through his response was "cool" and he couldnt care less, when i said lets try another amp he wasnt having it and said it was fine and just wanted to record. im sure if i asked him now what we used he has no clue. youd think the best player i know would be all about gear but its the total opposite
 
Oh yes! I love the sound of one duplicated track but with different IRs/tones. Still achieves that crisp, defined sound, while still sounding wider. Thanks for the tip!
 
I'll run cranked V30/412 with an SM57 into a LA610 mic pre with a Royer 121 going into a Warm WA73EQ. Each mike gets its own track panned slightly L/R , then do the same thing with a different head into 2 more tracks. The Royer will give me plenty of warm fatness and the 57 is mixed in just enough to give it some teeth. Sometimes I'll change from the Royer 121 to a Bock 195, or a Senn 421 depending on what we are trying to get in the mix. Between 2 different heads and 4 tracks we can usually move on once we find the sweet spots on the cab. When we switch heads, we don't touch the cab or the mikes, we just switch heads and run it. Usually the Friedman then the Langner Marshall because they are so different they work well together in a mix. It all runs through an Apogee interface and Logic Pro.
So far Ive had great results with those, I don't have any IR's so I have no basis for comparison between the 2
 
So, how do you set this arrangement up in your DAW? Just record one track? Or duplicate the same track but use two different IRs? This sounds more up my alley. I just don't like the doubled-up sound. It takes away from the crispness of my riffs, even when played tight. I do a lot of percussive, single note stuff that is kind of "fast". It just doesn't serve it well. I could see if my style were chugging, but its not, But I would still like to make it sound "wider", so this might be my ticket.

EDIT: I'm a newb so you're going to have to use dummy language.


You will never ever make 1 take, no matter how many amps and cabs you use, sound wider than 2 different takes. Ever. The slight variations in timing, no matter how tight the riffing is, is what makes two takes sound wider and huge. Maybe you already know this, but that is why you can’t just double one take and pan each of them hard left and right and expect it to sound like double or quad tracking. What you will end up with is a guitar track that sounds mono coming right up the middle of the stereo image , because it is exactly the same take. Two different takes even with the tightest player on earth will still have microscopic differences that we as humans can’t even perceive possibly, but that is what makes things sound wide to our ears/brains.
 
57 & 421 Into a pair of neve 1073 or API 312 with a kick ass amp and guitar .....

Usually do 2 takes per side , but lately I've been adding 2 more right up the middle. So 6 takes .... depends on the song though. I use plug-ins and axe fx for rehearsals , and scratch stuff but I just like the real deal when getting my takes. I also honestly don't love reamping , I'm all about getting that shit right to tape.

I know some of the more well known guys don't like more than 1 take per side because they say it flams .... they will take 2 takes and reamp the piss out of them to Thicken it up. BUT, idk I like at least 4 personally, it's always worked for me.

I've been playing around with a u87 as a room mic lately to , you have to find the spot in the room where the bottom end is pumping and put the mic there , kinda cool for leads rhythms sometimes.
 
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You will never ever make 1 take, no matter how many amps and cabs you use, sound wider than 2 different takes.
I know. I'm not trying to get it to sound wider than 2 takes. Just wider than one take (lol). What I'm trying to avoid is something sounding "echo-ish" (not sure if thats the correct way to put it). I just like the tight sound of one guitar. My heroes are Eddie and Nuno, and yes I know Nuno probably double tracked (and so did Eddie later on), but I just think it sounds crisper with one track. Maybe later on when I get better I can make double tracking sound better.

Also couldn't I just ever so slightly move one of the tracks off time a bit to give it some separation?
 
What is TNL? Thanks
Two Notes Live

I guess it has been discontinued and falling almost into the vintage category...but they updated the firmware awhile back to accept multiple mics on a cab and it is way cool
 
Do you prefer miking tube amps, using amp sims, modeling amps like Kemper/fractal, or maybe running your head direct with load box and using IRs with it? Which method do you find the most hassle-free and easiest to achieve the sound you're going for with the least amount of headache?

Is it worth investing in a load box if you want to record your real tube amps? Or does doing so sacrifice tone?
I use a real amp and cab. It's hard to beat it if you have the gear and environment. There really is a life to the sound of a real amp and a mic'ed up cab that is almost impossible to replicate. There's those who say the whole "life" and "air" to real cabs is bullshit, but I think they are just trying to convince themselves that IRs sound the same. Or, maybe they are deaf from years of standing in front of cranked 4x12s. Who knows. I do use a load box from time to time, but that's mostly for scratch tracks or if I'm dialing an amp and I need to hear some fine detail without any bleed from the cab room. If I want a really clean(should I say "sterile"?) modern metal sound, I use a load box. With a good load box and quality IRs, you can absolutely get a great sound. By good load box, I mean don't get a Two Notes. I know this is probably going to piss off the Two Notes fanboys.
 
I use a real amp and cab. It's hard to beat it if you have the gear and environment. There really is a life to the sound of a real amp and a mic'ed up cab that is almost impossible to replicate. There's those who say the whole "life" and "air" to real cabs is bullshit, but I think they are just trying to convince themselves that IRs sound the same. Or, maybe they are deaf from years of standing in front of cranked 4x12s. Who knows. I do use a load box from time to time, but that's mostly for scratch tracks or if I'm dialing an amp and I need to hear some fine detail without any bleed from the cab room. If I want a really clean(should I say "sterile"?) modern metal sound, I use a load box. With a good load box and quality IRs, you can absolutely get a great sound. By good load box, I mean don't get a Two Notes. I know this is probably going to piss off the Two Notes fanboys.


NAILED. IT.

Especially about the two notes loadboxes. I get on a rant about this often, but they are absolutely terrible compared to my driftwood loadbox. The impedence curve is all wrong on the two notes completely.
 
NAILED. IT.

Especially about the two notes loadboxes. I get on a rant about this often, but they are absolutely terrible compared to my driftwood loadbox. The impedence curve is all wrong on the two notes completely.
I wouldn't bother with them for a while because all I heard were the Two Notes boxes and they make everything sound dull and lifeless. The Boss and Suhr are what finally lead to me being convinced you could get a good sound from a load box. I did a lot of listening to every box I could find before deciding on a Suhr. I basically got it down to 4 tiers: 1. Boss, Suhr, 2. Fryette, Fractal, Red Seven, UA 3. Everything else. 4. Two Notes. I'd still be very happy with anything in tier 2. UA is only in tier 2 because it doesn't do high gain as well as the Boss and Suhr. For clean and crunch sounds, it might be the best. I haven't heard the one you mentioned. After doing my comparison I described my breakdown on someone's channel and had a back and forth with some head at Two Notes. They try to market the sound as "selected to work with the widest variety of amps". But, he admitted they know their products don't stack up sound wise, and that they are working on something better to try and compete. That was a couple years ago. I still don't see any new and improved Two Notes product.
 
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Have to say, I've tried tons of amps sims/IRs, I personally think they're just gimmicky little toys. They don't sound good to me. I've even purchased the Spectre course on amp sims and been through it. Still not happy with any tone I've gotten from them. Amp Room and ML Sound Labs 5034 stand out as some of the better ones to me though.
 
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