What model G12T-75s were used on AJFA?

[GJgo]

I don't hate the 2013, I just don't like it anywhere near as much as everyone else does it seems

I think the biggest takeaway is that the 75 is kind of underrated and can sound quite a bit different depending on the version and year, perhaps to even a larger degree than is normal with speakers

The only speakers I can think of that vary THAT much are v30s which are wild

I'm guessing this is bound to happen with any speaker that's been in production for decades, as manufacturing processes and wood pulp supply are variable.

 

[DanTravis62]

I'm guessing this is bound to happen with any speaker that's been in production for decades, as manufacturing processes and wood pulp supply are variable.

That would certainly explain why the longest running models are the ones with the crazy variance - other John Browne's V30 deep dive is exactly my type of "madness" - the T75 is probably due for a similar treatment

Because it's one of those speakers that can be either exactly what I'm looking for or hideous sounding in a mix depending on the variant and the rest of the signal chain

 

[Techdeth]

I’m a big fan of using angled cabs to record. Or for shows micd up. In the room I understand straight just for directional sake. I like how angled cabs when you mic the top speakers have that dip out of 500 hz that you wouldn’t want in a distorted tone. At least I don’t. Several cabs out there are “straight cabs” but the baffle is angled to alleviate this honky frequency on purpose like Fryette fatbottom, diezel RL, etc.

I get it but I HATE angled cabs in everywhere for my ears

 

[Racerxrated]

I get it but I HATE angled cabs in everywhere for my ears

If you play out, I don't know how anyone would use anything else. Unless you run a full stack, a straight cab = unable to hear yourself. Especially if you play and sing...you've got a monitor in front of you, drummer to your side and the other side is your rig. Gotta have that cab angling up at my ears to some degree.
Unless you set your rig to face the crowd, behind you...but, then you'll have to crank it very loud...which wouldn't fly at 90% of the clubs I've played. Side wash only.

 

[GJgo]

If you play out, I don't know how anyone would use anything else. Unless you run a full stack, a straight cab = unable to hear yourself. Especially if you play and sing...you've got a monitor in front of you, drummer to your side and the other side is your rig. Gotta have that cab angling up at my ears to some degree.
Unless you set your rig to face the crowd, behind you...but, then you'll have to crank it very loud...which wouldn't fly at 90% of the clubs I've played. Side wash only.

I can see myself bringing an angled cab to a show where I'm not micd up for your reasons. If I'm micd up though, straight all the way & mix in the monitors with everything else.

 

[DanTravis62]

If you play out, I don't know how anyone would use anything else. Unless you run a full stack, a straight cab = unable to hear yourself. Especially if you play and sing...you've got a monitor in front of you, drummer to your side and the other side is your rig. Gotta have that cab angling up at my ears to some degree.
Unless you set your rig to face the crowd, behind you...but, then you'll have to crank it very loud...which wouldn't fly at 90% of the clubs I've played. Side wash only.

I can see myself bringing an angled cab to a show where I'm not micd up for your reasons. If I'm micd up though, straight all the way & mix in the monitors with everything else.

I use them both strategically

Angled cabs are best for venues where I know i'm going to fight to hear myself, straight cabs when I either know i'm going to be miced up or I know I'm going to crank that shit

 

[Techdeth]

If you play out, I don't know how anyone would use anything else. Unless you run a full stack, a straight cab = unable to hear yourself. Especially if you play and sing...you've got a monitor in front of you, drummer to your side and the other side is your rig. Gotta have that cab angling up at my ears to some degree.
Unless you set your rig to face the crowd, behind you...but, then you'll have to crank it very loud...which wouldn't fly at 90% of the clubs I've played. Side wash only.

I’ve never used angled cabs live
And I was loud and heard .

 

[Racerxrated]

I’ve never used angled cabs live
And I was loud and heard .

I know the CROWD can hear you, but I'm talking about YOU hearing yourself. I had a great Hendrix Marshall straight cab with the G12C greenies..killer cab but I could not hear myself unless I had the sound guy put my guitar through the monitor. That defeats the purpose as now I'm hearing my guitar come through an FRFR speaker with a friggin tweeter to top it off lol.
So, for me it's slants all the way, no exceptions live. A straight cab, and I'm fighting to hear myself. I also sang half the tunes so that's another part of me 'fighting stage volume' with a very hard hitting drummer to boot.
I like the way straights sound, thicker with relaxed highs but they're totally lost on stage IME.
And, we always were miked every show every time. In fact I can't think of any shows going back 35 years, where I wasn't miked through the PA.

 

[Techdeth]

I know the CROWD can hear you, but I'm talking about YOU hearing yourself. I had a great Hendrix Marshall straight cab with the G12C greenies..killer cab but I could not hear myself unless I had the sound guy put my guitar through the monitor. That defeats the purpose as now I'm hearing my guitar come through an FRFR speaker with a friggin tweeter to top it off lol.
So, for me it's slants all the way, no exceptions live. A straight cab, and I'm fighting to hear myself. I also sang half the tunes so that's another part of me 'fighting stage volume' with a very hard hitting drummer to boot.
I like the way straights sound, thicker with relaxed highs but they're totally lost on stage IME.
And, we always were miked every show every time. In fact I can't think of any shows going back 35 years, where I wasn't miked through the PA.

Idk . I guess I didn’t real over think it . I could hear so I was good . Maybe I should have been louder for me ? Idk ? But it was fine
I’ll add this : I hate the sound of ANY cab that’s on top of another . It just bugged me. So I had dummies on top

 

[Meeotch]

So what other speakers have an inherent scoop to them like the T75? I'd be keen to try something in the same vein. The Avatar AV75 is on my list but would love more recommendations.

 

[braintheory]

So what other speakers have an inherent scoop to them like the T75? I'd be keen to try something in the same vein. The Avatar AV75 is on my list but would love more recommendations.

The H magnet celestions in general are more hollowed out in the mids, but not my favorites. IME really to get more scooped you gotta get away from Celestions and more toward American speakers like JBL’s or ‘50’s Cletron’s/Roger Charles to really get scooped with also sharper, stronger highs and lows than celestions

 

[Techdeth]

So what other speakers have an inherent scoop to them like the T75? I'd be keen to try something in the same vein. The Avatar AV75 is on my list but would love more recommendations.

The avatar was impressive

 

[Racerxrated]

Idk . I guess I didn’t real over think it . I could hear so I was good . Maybe I should have been louder for me ? Idk ? But it was fine
I’ll add this : I hate the sound of ANY cab that’s on top of another . It just bugged me. So I had dummies on top

It's also the possibility(or probability) that my hearing is worse than yours lol....so I needed to angle my cab up, or simply go with the slants live. I've always had 1 straight cab at home, since they do sound great and different than my slants.

 

[Techdeth]

It's also the possibility(or probability) that my hearing is worse than yours lol....so I needed to angle my cab up, or simply go with the slants live. I've always had 1 straight cab at home, since they do sound great and different than my slants.

What heads?

 

[Racerxrated]

What heads?

Everything lol...When I played out, after I caught the gear bug in 2008 it's been mostly modded Marshalls, with some boosted stock Jubilees/2204s in there. A few gigs with a C/C+, and an SLO but mostly Marshalls those last 10 years I played out.

Nowadays it's an MT100, and 2 Tremolo heads...a 69 Plex and a 72. Both 100w.

 

[Bram576]

So what other speakers have an inherent scoop to them like the T75? I'd be keen to try something in the same vein. The Avatar AV75 is on my list but would love more recommendations.

This might seem like a no brainer… but are your cabs you’re using 8 ohm or 16 ohm speakers? 8 ohm always more middy, 16 more scooped bigger lows brighter high end.

 

[Techdeth]

Everything lol...When I played out, after I caught the gear bug in 2008 it's been mostly modded Marshalls, with some boosted stock Jubilees/2204s in there. A few gigs with a C/C+, and an SLO but mostly Marshalls those last 10 years I played out.

Nowadays it's an MT100, and 2 Tremolo heads...a 69 Plex and a 72. Both 100w.

I still think I’ll get an mt100 sometime . It’s so tight I was shocked

 

[Philhouse]

The Marshall 1960A and B cabs both came loaded with G12T-75s and some models also came with G12-65 speakers as well. MOP for sure used the 75s, AJFA also used them im almost 100% sure, but the first gen had 2 different models and they had different tones.

Interviews at the time with fresh memories of the sessions they both specify 65's for MOP.

 

[NineShallDie]

Interviews at the time with fresh memories of the sessions they both specify 65's for MOP.

According to Flemming there were around a dozen cabs in the studio that all sounded different. I find it unlikely that they shipped a dozen cabs from USA to Denmark. To me it’s more likely that the cabs used for Puppets were property of Sweet Silence.
Remember, when they recorded Ride The Lightning they didn’t even an amp with them to Denmark, because their gear had been stolen a short time earlier. So they had to rent an amp from a shop in Denmark.

The cabs look practically new and not beat up from touring etc. And also likely they were 8 ohm cabs since that what they were for the Scandinavian market back then.

I don’t doubt Metallicas own cabs had 65s though.

 

[Philhouse]

According to Flemming there were around a dozen cabs in the studio that all sounded different. I find it unlikely that they shipped a dozen cabs from USA to Denmark. To me it’s more likely that the cabs used for Puppets were property of Sweet Silence.
Remember, when they recorded Ride The Lightning they didn’t even an amp with them to Denmark, because their gear had been stolen a short time earlier. So they had to rent an amp from a shop in Denmark.

The cabs look practically new and not beat up from touring etc. And also likely they were 8 ohm cabs since that what they were for the Scandinavian market back then.

I don’t doubt Metallicas own cabs had 65s though.

Absolutely agree.
I was just presenting the guys interview comments as it was claimed very matter of fact earlier in the thread that they were "for sure" 75's. There is contrast of info out there and no clear answer. It's all speculation at this point.
All the studio pics show multiple cabs too. The shots with James and the King V show at least 3 set up on the floor. Flemming's notes state "300w" cabs.

I find it interesting in those interviews that they both thought to specify 65's though when they could have easily just been more vague and said 'some Marshall 4x12's', and with 75's being more the common option (?) at the time makes it more curious that they made the point to differentiate when recalling it. They must have used a cab that had the 65's in it at some point of the recordings to have stuck in their head, but that could be amongst others in the studio as you say, and who knows which cabs exactly were most prominent in the final mix of Puppets.
As we all know James doesn't normally divulge too much info and keeps it pretty generic, well at least in the later years anyway when he wanted to protect his sound secrets. Kirk seems to be more forthcoming in his interviews wrt gear he uses.

Lot's of folks have researched and tested the different cabs and speakers over the past 40 years to figure it out and many have found the 65 cabs sounded the most true to the albums tones to their ears. From the many clips I've heard of others I tend to agree. I don't have any of those speakers to try out first hand, I'd love to, but they are hard to find for me, so I've got to base it on what I hear from others experience and examples and the limited info out there.
I also appreciate the OP thread is asking more about the Justice sessions than the MOP ones.