What speakercabinett do you reccomend for the Herbert?

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I have a Diezel Herbert head and a Bogner 2x12" speakercab. with Celestion Vintage 30 elements.
I sometimes feel that the cab doesn't handle tunings deeper than drop D, and it isn't as tight as I wish it could be.
Which cab do you guys reccomend for this head?
 
It seems to me what you are looking
for is a front loaded cab not a rear loaded
with any type of speaker that fits you
 
What is the main differences between front- and rear loaded cabinetts?
 
the rear loaded give you more of a vintage type sound
the front loaded gives more of a modern sound
the front loaded cab is tighter than the rear loaded



oh by the way welcome to the board :rock:
 
My Bogner 4x12 sounds great with the Herbert... From standard tuning to my baritone tuned to drop G#, it sounds amazing...

Maybe it's time to just upgrade to a 4x12 and not a 2x12?
 
Either of our new front loaded 4X12 cabs would suffice. Front loaded or rear loaded would depend on what you play style and sound wise, etc. Speaker choice also depends on this as well. I will help however I can, feel free to ask. :)
 
I also think of changing my cab.
I have a 4x12 Mesa Recto Cab (the big one).

Before I got the Herbert 2 month ago, I played it with my marshall and really liked it.
It gave the right balls to the lots of highs and mids the marshalls produce.
But now, with the herbert, in my Opinion it sounds too scooped.
(And my Herbert isnt set scooped)

I play metal the most time (All that Remains, Killswitch Engage, As I Lay Dying, Metallica), so I think Frontloaded would be the right choice. All these bands have a very fat agressive sound, but at the moment I dont think the speakers/cab sound cutting and mid-heavy enough - bass the herbert can produce as much as you want, but I need more agressive feeling...
Which speakers do you recommend?
 
Front loaded g12k100 4X12 or the rear loaded hemp cones....either will work nicely. For the VH4 I would go front loaded personally. For the Herbert you may go either way on the cab and same can be said regarding Einstein. That will come down to personal tastes etc. IMO, the VH4 definitely needs the front loaded cab.
 
DvE":17galbzw said:
I also think of changing my cab.
I have a 4x12 Mesa Recto Cab (the big one).

Before I got the Herbert 2 month ago, I played it with my marshall and really liked it.
It gave the right balls to the lots of highs and mids the marshalls produce.
But now, with the herbert, in my Opinion it sounds too scooped.
(And my Herbert isnt set scooped)
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i hear you - we had the oversized mesa cabs as backline a few times now, and after playing them for one of the gigs and seeing them on the second - i immediately went home and get my cab. they may fit with some amps (Mesas maybe), but it was almost UNUSABLE with Herbert. Herbert is a low-end MONSTER and the oversized mesa cab cannot handle that - it is just undefined, farting bass-boomboom. i would prefer even a standard Marshall 1960 to that.
 
Frontloaded with V30s.

The Herbert will sound too dark, muddy, and boomy if you use a good amount of bass thru a rearloaded cab.
 
Welcome to the Forum. :) I agree front loaded cabs with V30's,the front loaded cabs are a lot tighter and work very well with the Herbert :thumbsup:
 
I am very happy to hear, that someone else thougt the same with the mesa-cab.
When I tested the Herbert in the store, I think there was a standard-sized cab...
And also we changed our band room, so I thought it could be the bad echos of the naked walls etc, that make the bass sound so undefined... and way to dark.
I heard, that Herbert is a low-treble-amp and I like the sound of the vh4 too, because it gives you the metallica-in-a-box-feeling, but I went with herbert because of the style (more metal-orientated) the 2nd master volume and the mid-cut.
But I did not know, that it would sound that dark and less-byting through my cab.

Ok, so coming to the point I will safe some money to get a frontloaded cab (I will definetly buy a frontloaded, because of my playing style...)
So another question is: which speakers? V30? g12k100? Mixed?
I life in germany, but I would have to drive around 600 km to get to peter...

Can you try to explain how these speakers sound in the new cabs?
Whats the difference? I would be thankfull for a more detailed description.
Should I list some sounds of Bands I like? Maybe this helps...

As I mentioned before, I would like to have a more agressive sound
 
If you are going for the most aggressive sound you can get G12K100 frontloaded might be the way to go. Super tight speakers but a bit too neutral for my taste if you use them alone. A mix of V30 and G12K100 frontloaded worked best for me. Both speakers compliment each other very well and you will get a very rich and full sound with lots of attack and the tightness of the G12K100 and the mids of the V30 filling in with lots of mids.
The V30 only frontloaded cab was too mid heavy for my tastet and it seemed to sound a little muffled so that in complex chrords for example you just couldn't tell the single notes since it was all mud. Simple to much mids there.
I'd recommend a frontloaded V30 G12K100 mix. Very flexible and great sounding cab. Best I have every heard and had.
 
Wizard of Ozz":1zuihc7m said:
Frontloaded with V30s.

The Herbert will sound too dark, muddy, and boomy if you use a good amount of bass thru a rearloaded cab.
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False...

We also feel the V-30 doesn't sound as good as our other speaker options.
 
That totally depends on your playing and all kinds of other factors dude...

I have a new 4x12 with V30's fl. I tested the hemp cone 2x12, G12's fl and rl, V30's fl and rl, and an x-pattern with Peter S., and for my way of playing with my settings on the Herbert, the V30 is the best option.
 
Hey, thanks for the fast replys :)

Mh, I play in a band, so this should be the standard-situation when I think of the speakers.
I normaly dont play complex chords - just need
1. beautiful cleans for silent parts
2. agressive chord rythm stuff (think of metallica, killswitch engage)
3. lead parts, but also tight and agressive (metal core style, single note riffs on the low strings with a lot of chunk, but also mid-heavy, )
4. solo parts with a lot of mids
We also dont play extremly loud (channel volume at around 12, master around 10),
so I have to keep in mind, that the speakers should also sound good at small bar gigs and not only when cranking them up.

For me its hard to explain what I mean with mids.
Because I like the newer metal-genre, for example Killswitch Engage, very very much. Thats definately my sound. The first expression is: wow - fat and byting sound, not much mids, etc, but if you hear exactly, they are mid-heavy, but in the modern way, not like the old metal stuff as for example Iron Maiden. I hope you get what I want ;)

My gear is:
Ibanez PGM30 with seymour duncan jb and sh2 if this helps.

So based on that information, which would you recommend?
 
V30 front-loaded. G12's tend to need more volume to get to that sweet spot imo, and if you're also playing small venues where you can't crank the amp I think the V30 fl would be the better choice for the style of music you described. :yes:
 
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