Purpleibby
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V30s, never liked em'
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Racerxrated
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…and I’ll raise you the vaunted BBs from the mid-late 70s; and ANY version H30. I’ve tried 3 Blackback cabs and all 3 sucked. H30s, I like bright but those damn things make a Marshall presence control blush.
I do like the 66 H25s I have though. No sizzle with them.
M70s are the speaker I’ve returned to GC the most over the years….the 260w 800 cabs should have 65s, but many contain the worst Celestion ever made….the M70.
stephen sawall
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I think I like pretty much everything I have owned.
67mike
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homespun
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Well, if you want 4 more, check the classifieds.
Beyond Black
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Anything from WGS. Sounded really good at low volumes, couldn’t handle high db punishment. Lost clarity, too much break up.
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Racerxrated
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I had a purple B cab from 2007. That cab sounded killer; it was sold as the Hendrix tribute cab...same G12Cs as the VM cabs. I sold it. Realized the error of my ways and bought a VM cab a year later. Same speakers...but this cab sounded borderline bad. I've never had a cab, same speakers etc sound so different from the previous cab that was exactly the same.
67mike
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Maybe they had big variances in the speakers....after all they were a special run in very limited numbers....Chinese I believe in the vm.......UK made in the Hendrix cabs.
I will say this, the lucky folks ( me included) who own 'the good ones', are pretty pleased from what I have heard over the years.
LPMojoGL
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G12-65
Unless you're cranking the amp, they're lifeless
Unless you're cranking the amp, they're lifeless
homespun
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I don’t think there are differences beyond natural tolerances. The only real difference between UK and Chicom speakers are that UK has solder tabs and the Chinese have clip tabs.
Have you compared them to actual greenbacks from the same era? That’s what I’m doing. There’s something missing in the low mids in the G12C that makes a greenback a greenback. However, I’ve not compared them to modern production greenbacks.
blackba
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G12M-70, didn't like the one I had
CLassic Lead 80s, I really like them, but I like speakers with more character these days
CLassic Lead 80s, I really like them, but I like speakers with more character these days
Rex Rocker
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Anything Eminence. I've never tried an Emi that didn't have the weird mid voicing. They always seem to sound OK in the room, but they really fall apart once you throw a mic in front.
7704A
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Hmm, now I'm curious about how their EVM12L clone would fare under those conditions.
7704A
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I know what you mean, almost every Eminence I hear has some sort of hollow thing going on. Yet, my favorite cab up until recently was loaded with some OEM eminence speakers. After comparing to some recently-acquired EVMs though... To the classifieds they go!
Rex Rocker
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Never tried the EV's, TBH. I'm more of a Greenback guy, so I suspect they're kinda like the polar opposite. I'm sure they're great, though.
7704A
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Probably, yeah. Impressive clarity and balance vs tasteful distortion and power compression, if I understand both camps correctly. Below is a clip I posted a while ago that I think does a fairly decent job of showcasing the qualities of the EVM 12S (not 12L), in case you haven't heard EVM's before and wanted to get an idea of how they sound. Amp is a Traynor YCV80 with gain maxed, so kinda a Canadian Marshall flavor?
Rex Rocker
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That sounds a bit dark and distant, but I can tell it's really super clean and honest.
7704A
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Yeah, was recorded on my phone a little distance away from the cab, so the EQ itself is a bit off. The distortion/coloration characteristics are pretty representative though I think.
mentoneman
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70/80 = paper plate
in it’s native habitat, a boogie combo, the altec can sound cool if you set the Geq to auto and lop off the nasties on the lead channel
in it’s native habitat, a boogie combo, the altec can sound cool if you set the Geq to auto and lop off the nasties on the lead channel
SpiderWars
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I agree about the Eminence speakers. Never met one I liked. Same with Weber speakers, but my experience with both was a long time ago. With Eminence it was right after they came out with the Redcoat/Patriot series. The best Weber I ever had was an older Scumback before Jim made the jump.
Once I tried early 70s Greenback/Creambacks I found my speaker and everything else sounds inferior. I do still want to try a quad of the original G12 Vintage tho. Maybe I'll prefer it with 2203. GBs are perfect for Superleads but maybe there is better for 2203.
Once I tried early 70s Greenback/Creambacks I found my speaker and everything else sounds inferior. I do still want to try a quad of the original G12 Vintage tho. Maybe I'll prefer it with 2203. GBs are perfect for Superleads but maybe there is better for 2203.