What to do...

[shade]

My guess is most multi effects units (if not all) can't be split... you choose a loop and any effects within that unit run through that loop.

It also means another pair of cables.....

I believe it's the time based effects you'd want through parallel, so you get a "wet/dry"... only the delayed signal goes through the processor... original signal sounds exactly as if no effects.

 

[shade]

Any chance I could get you to do a quick recording comparing just a simple delay through parallel vs serial loop?

I've got analysis paralysis if ya know what I mean.... I think the decision for me comes down to the loops.

 

[aeroic]

Any chance I could get you to do a quick recording comparing just a simple delay through parallel vs serial loop?

I've got analysis paralysis if ya know what I mean.... I think the decision for me comes down to the loops.

I can in a couple weeks. Right now I'm on the road for the next week, and the folllowing.

Eric

 

[shade]

No worries... thank you anyway. The GAS is too bad to wait, I'd probably explode!

Just gonna have to make a decision.......... of course now I'm spun back to the Mod 50. There is another advantage it's all in one. All my effects are pedals (archaic eh?) so I'd have to add a rack to my baggage.

 

[viking22]

Any chance I could get you to do a quick recording comparing just a simple delay through parallel vs serial loop?

I've got analysis paralysis if ya know what I mean.... I think the decision for me comes down to the loops.

Parallel loop has advantages too.Just think about what it means:you have the (guitar)amp signal untouched and you can add,via a balance pot, the signal going through the effect unit (delay here).Both signals are thus in //.Most effects-units change the sound,esp. the cheap digital ones;with a // loop,you will keep the pure amp-signal and add whatever % of processed signal you desire.With a serial loop,100% of your signal is going through the effect-unit.I hope it helps

 

[shade]

Thanks everyone.... it all helps alot. One of the reasons I sold the Splawn was I couldn't warm up to the loop. Now I wonder if it isn't my Nova delay that sucks through series.

Leaning heavier on the Mod 50.... which is gonna lead to the "which modules" decision. I'm pretty sure on BMAN. I'd like to do the SLx2 but I'd have to buy it separate. Does the EG5 crossover into the same territory?

 

[Joeytpg]

dude, not to rain on your parade, but think about it a bit more.

the Renegade is basically a Bman in the clean channel and an SL2/Seminar head in channel 2 (there you have two awesome modules) and the E2 will allow you to have two other modules. I wouldn't give that up for a parallel loop.


Again, when you're playing live the dif. is almost unnoticeable between parallel and serial.

again, to each his own

 

[Page]

After reading this thread im completely torn as well... when does the renegade hit guitar centers? i have to try one of these

 

[Joeytpg]

they should already be there.

I ordered one 3 days ago and the rep. told me they where on back order but it was just gonna take a couple of days to be in stock

 

[aeroic]

dude, not to rain on your parade, but think about it a bit more.

the Renegade is basically a Bman in the clean channel and an SL2/Seminar head in channel 2 (there you have two awesome modules) and the E2 will allow you to have two other modules. I wouldn't give that up for a parallel loop.


Again, when you're playing live the dif. is almost unnoticeable between parallel and serial.

again, to each his own

To you it might not be a big deal...but for those who are using rack gear, it makes it MUCH easier to set levels with stuff using both Parallel / Series efx loops. Tone is definitely quite different also. Another big usage of having stuff like that in a parallel for me is to allow trail off of delays and verbs, which I couldn't do w/ 1 rack unit in series at all.

There is a big tonal difference that even my wife noticed from 100% series efx loop to having now both series and parallel efx loop. So, sorry joey...I'm going to have to disagree 100% with you on this one. The Mod50 parallel efx loop is awesome!!! VERY useful, and a big differentiator vs the Renegade for me.

Eric

 

[Joeytpg]

it's ok man, I guess I'm not into fx loops that much. I appreciate having one, but it doesn't matter that much to me.

I prefer the flexibility of the channels+modules

 

[aeroic]

it's ok man, I guess I'm not into fx loops that much. I appreciate having one, but it doesn't matter that much to me.

I prefer the flexibility of the channels+modules

Yep...I want the ultimate flexibility That's why I won't get a Renegade I'd rather have a Mod50 w/ ALL the tones. I think the Renegade is a killer setup for those who don't want much more than the "Fender / Marshall" type tones. But for me, I don't see the point of owning 5-6 different amps with the modular stuff. I have not found a tone I can't get with the modular series. I would rather be able to do the Mod50 w/ Bman and SL2X as my "renegade tones" and have an E2 for other stuff vs having 2 tones that you can't change w/o modding the head circuitry.

The Mod50 / Mod100 and M4 are definitely my "island amps." That said. I do still want a CAE PT100 someday!

Eric

 

[ramblin390]

besides all the cosmic stuff, if you run the parallell at %100 percent, it sounds exactly the same as the series loop

 

[aeroic]

besides all the cosmic stuff, if you run the parallell at %100 percent, it sounds exactly the same as the series loop

but who in their right mind would do that on an Egnater Mod 50?

 

[Joeytpg]

I agree with you on the flexibility the Mod50 offers, there's no doubt about that.

what I see, and it's my case at least (maybe not the OP's case) with the money it costs to buy a MOD50 I can get the Renegade and the E2, which both will give me 4 channels instead of two on the MOD50 (well, not including the A/B channels on each module of course, in that case it'd be 6 channels vs 4 channel)

Now, if you take into consideration that the MOD50 is built in the U.S. compared to the MIC Renegade, then of course there's a dif. and prob the mod50 is worth it over he renegade.

another thing I like about the renegade +E2 thing is that you throw in a nice poweramp (maybe egnater will build one?) and you have two separate rigs OR one huge rig. you could be playing with the Ren.+E2 in a live gig, and have the power amp there with you in case the renegade fails, so your backup amp is right there. Same thing can be done with the MOD50 + E2 sure, but you're gonna pay A LOT more money than the Renegade+ E2.


hehehe no one's better than the other it's just different things and will depend HUGELY on the buyers finances

 

[muudrock]

You can also get a Minimix2 or similar and run your efx in parallel in the Renegade. May be $200 additional.

 

[aeroic]

I agree with you on the flexibility the Mod50 offers, there's no doubt about that.

what I see, and it's my case at least (maybe not the OP's case) with the money it costs to buy a MOD50 I can get the Renegade and the E2, which both will give me 4 channels instead of two on the MOD50 (well, not including the A/B channels on each module of course, in that case it'd be 6 channels vs 4 channel)

Now, if you take into consideration that the MOD50 is built in the U.S. compared to the MIC Renegade, then of course there's a dif. and prob the mod50 is worth it over he renegade.

another thing I like about the renegade +E2 thing is that you throw in a nice poweramp (maybe egnater will build one?) and you have two separate rigs OR one huge rig. you could be playing with the Ren.+E2 in a live gig, and have the power amp there with you in case the renegade fails, so your backup amp is right there. Same thing can be done with the MOD50 + E2 sure, but you're gonna pay A LOT more money than the Renegade+ E2.


hehehe no one's better than the other it's just different things and will depend HUGELY on the buyers finances

I agree with your thinking here mostly man. For me, the big things that make the Mod50 so much more versatile are the 1. parallel effects loop standard, 2. I can run ANY tube I want in the power section, 3. and for me modular is the best thing since sliced bread.

But you do make good points. If it isn't modular, I don't want it from Eggie! HAHAHA

 

[EWSEthan]

I cant believe no one has mentioned yet about the MOD 50s awesome power section. Im sure the quality Heyboer trannys play a big part in making this amp sound amazing when you get the master cooking.

 

[Joeytpg]

I cant believe no one has mentioned yet about the MOD 50s awesome power section. Im sure the quality Heyboer trannys play a big part in making this amp sound amazing when you get the master cooking.

this could be a deal breaker too.

 

[Joeytpg]

I agree with you on the flexibility the Mod50 offers, there's no doubt about that.

what I see, and it's my case at least (maybe not the OP's case) with the money it costs to buy a MOD50 I can get the Renegade and the E2, which both will give me 4 channels instead of two on the MOD50 (well, not including the A/B channels on each module of course, in that case it'd be 6 channels vs 4 channel)

Now, if you take into consideration that the MOD50 is built in the U.S. compared to the MIC Renegade, then of course there's a dif. and prob the mod50 is worth it over he renegade.

another thing I like about the renegade +E2 thing is that you throw in a nice poweramp (maybe egnater will build one?) and you have two separate rigs OR one huge rig. you could be playing with the Ren.+E2 in a live gig, and have the power amp there with you in case the renegade fails, so your backup amp is right there. Same thing can be done with the MOD50 + E2 sure, but you're gonna pay A LOT more money than the Renegade+ E2.


hehehe no one's better than the other it's just different things and will depend HUGELY on the buyers finances

I agree with your thinking here mostly man. For me, the big things that make the Mod50 so much more versatile are the 1. parallel effects loop standard, 2. I can run ANY tube I want in the power section, 3. and for me modular is the best thing since sliced bread.

But you do make good points. If it isn't modular, I don't want it from Eggie! HAHAHA

I totally agree with you on the best thing since sliced bread!

it's just a matter of choice and MONEY really. ehehhe

I was gonna go with a MOD50 before I went Diezel, but the rep from Spain didn't have any, and the order list was about 4 months. I went with diezel, and I'm glad I did because I really love Diezel amps, but I wanted to be in the Egnater fam. for a long time, that time has come (my Renegade shipped btw!) and later on I'm adding an E2 to that!