Who owns Victory amps?

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RaceU4her said:
people caring what the reviewers opinions of an amp they are demo'ing always made no sense to me, like if you think something sounds like shit is the reviewer really gonna change your opinion on that? i guess for a lot of people it does :dunno:
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I get more from the way people describe an amp's sound on forums than I do from listening to a demo of it.

Demos either sound good or they don't, but they're more representative of the person's recording skill than the actual sound of the amp. Even then it's still like a Kemper profile, that amp with that guitar, with those pedals, and through that cab and mic.

I still listen to demos, but it blows my mind that people make buying decisions off of them.
 
Anyone here play the Victory RK50 (Richie Kotzen)?

Seems like an amp I could really molest

Wanted a Cornford RK100 forever
 
ZEN Amps said:
I hear you man, I'll add to this sidebar. I've been involved in pro audio and playing for 30+ years - but I'm pretty new to guitar forums, making YT videos etc.

One thing I've learnt that no matter how factual you try and be, or even when just relaying your personal preferences on gear or tone, you're going to 'upset' someone. I always try and stay light-hearted and respectful - but I guess the internet really brings out the worst in people.

From what I've seen (Blake and Kyle are in this category too), you just demo the gear and give an honest opinion. It's nuts that this actually triggers folks.

I couldn't care less if someone says they don't like what I like, and I naively thought that was the norm. It actually probably is the norm, but the internet has a way of giving a very loud voice to the few. It's so common that anytime I express a contrary opinion, I expect some form of blowback. Usually just a defensive, sarcastic comment - but sometimes it turns into nasty PM's or emails.

Three times now over at TGP someone has PM'd our account to voice their disdain for 'trying to publicly discredit them', or 'having no clue and your amp wall is just a green screen'...really bizarre shit.

Back to Victory - tried a few models. Quite nice, but nothing that made me reach for my wallet.
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Totally agree, and I have had similar experiences.

I have had people leave nasty comments on my videos, tell me I'm worthless or a terrible player, and even make fun of my haircut. These are grown men leaving these comments. What are we, in the second grade again? It's absolutely insane. All over a guitar gear demo? If you don't like the demo or don't like what I have to say about the piece of gear or don't like me, then why are you even watching?

People also make the assumption that I'm trying to be the next big influencer, which I'm not. I do these demos for fun (shocking, I know!) and to give people some insight into gear that they might be interested in buying or trying. I'm trying to be helpful, not make any money. My fucking little lame ass channel has 500 subscribers; trust me, I'm not making anything off YouTube. Yes, sometimes I'm critical of amps that I don't like or that I think have shortcomings. I'm giving you my opinion. Yours can be different and if you want to argue that in a constructive way, I'm here to listen. But 50 year old men DMing me threats and insults because I said I don't like this brand that you like? Get the fuck outta here.

This stuff is supposed to be fun. If you aren't having fun, you're doing it wrong.
 
And we give a shit about who backed Victory amps because why? They either make good amps that people want to use or they don't. Yet another YouTube troll.
 
Candiria said:
I get more from the way people describe an amp's sound on forums than I do from listening to a demo of it.

Demos either sound good or they don't, but they're more representative of the person's recording skill than the actual sound of the amp. Even then it's still like a Kemper profile, that amp with that guitar, with those pedals, and through that cab and mic.

I still listen to demos, but it blows my mind that people make buying decisions off of them.
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This times one thousand.

If any of you watch my channel (lol) you'll see I recently upgraded my audio setup. Instead of recording everything in the room with my iPhone, I moved to using the UA OX or mic'ing my cabinet, recording in Luna, and then editing everything together in DaVinci Resolve. I've done this on the last three or four videos I've done and I'm very happy with the results.

However, one thing I learned is exactly what you so astutely stated: YouTube gear demos are really all down to your recording skills. I can make any amp sound like just about anything with the setup I just mentioned. Different mics, different cabs, different placement, different effects or post-processing, EQing, reverbs, delays, etc. It all makes a huge difference. It is not subtle.

Ask yourself this: when you listen to a gear demo, what is the reviewer going for? Are they trying to replicate the sound of the amp in the room? If so, what room? What cabinet? What speaker? How was it mic'd? Is the room damped? Is the room small or large? How is it shaped? Have they played this amp in a variety of settings, gigs, rooms, power supplies, etc. or just at home at low volumes? Have they ever played it in a mix or just at home in their home studio? Maybe they are they just trying to make the amp "sound its best." If so, what does that mean? According to whom? This all has an impact.

I really enjoyed the video that Zach Wish did where he showed how he records guitars. It was fascinating because you get to see everything I mentioned above play out, and it was very well done an insightful. But one of my takeaways is that Zach does a lot of post-processing on his recordings. For example, he goes through and pulls out certain "off" frequencies from his recordings (watch his video for more info). I am not criticizing him for this; I totally get it. He wants to present the amp in the best light possible. But how many people watch one of Zach's excellent demos and don't know all of that production and recording skill is being utilized? I bet 99 out of 100. So here are all these people watching a gear demo that have no idea that this isn't the true, unaltered audio from the recording. But they are taking the demo as gospel for how the amp sounds.

Again, I want to be 100% clear: I am not criticizing Zach. I like his videos and playing a lot. His video of the Grace is what inspired me to buy one. I'm just saying it's fascinating how people accept all these reviews as "true" or "real" when in fact a lot of things in the recording and production process have impacted what they're hearing. A lot of work is done behind the scenes that they don't know about. Yet, people take these videos very seriously and they're willing to fight people they don't know over all of this. It's insane.
 
SFW said:
And we give a shit about who backed Victory amps because why? They either make good amps that people want to use or they don't. Yet another YouTube troll.
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because they may have a large YT influence on gear purchases who also sells gear. knowing they're also an owner of the gear manufacturer they're demonstrating and selling is interesting to some of us.

if you don't care about the business relationships and incentives that can include financial bias in demos, don't worry about it.

for me, I like to follow the money and see who funds and who benefits from the revenue.

:dunno:
 
japetus said:
The dudes channel consists mainly of digging up gossip and creating drama. He's a dweeb.
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some gossip leads to truth. not tough to ignore it if it's not of interest to you.

interesting that three of five players that got sig amp models have relationships with Andertons. IMO. then again, other brands give sig gear to YT and IG influences.
 
I’d bet if anything this brings victory more exposure and will probably help them out ?
 
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I actually like some of KDHs videos, especially the Fortin one

But this was kind of halfway between no shit and who cares

NO WAY THE CAPTAIN OWNS VICTORY WHO COULD HAVE GUESSED
 
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japetus said:
Most people are followers. I put very little stock in gear reviews, because what works for one person might not for another.
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Exactly! I still remember the days of the OG 5150 getting bashed to death, fast forward years later and it's one of the cornerstones of high gain amps.

That amp right there was a huge lesson for me 30 years ago, as all I know is it sounded great to me and every time I played out somewhere some guy was telling me my tone was great.
 
RaceU4her said:
I’d bet if anything this brings victory more exposure and will probably help them out ?
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which Victory did you order?

:LOL:

all good if you like Victory amps or not; or if you think they sound good or don't; if you own or buy a Victory or not...

I like to know the business connections; Lee was transparent on most all of his other business ownership interests, but not Victory, just curious IMO.
 
jabps said:
Exactly! I still remember the days of the OG 5150 getting bashed to death, fast forward years later and it's one of the cornerstones of high gain amps.

That amp right there was a huge lesson for me 30 years ago, as all I know is it sounded great to me and every time I played out somewhere some guy was telling me my tone was great.
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I remember the bias mod craze, and then 20 years later everyone saying the bias mod sucks lmao
 
sytharnia1560 said:
who cares? .... if someone can influence you enough to buy something based purely on a you tube video then you are the one with the problem
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clearly, you don't care, or watch/read before commenting either.

no one said anything about buying something based purely on a you tube video but don't let facts or actual posts and words get in your way. :thumbsup:
 
rsm said:
because they may have a large YT influence on gear purchases who also sells gear. knowing they're also an owner of the gear manufacturer they're demonstrating and selling is interesting to some of us.

if you don't care about the business relationships and incentives that can include financial bias in demos, don't worry about it.

for me, I like to follow the money and see who funds and who benefits from the revenue.

:dunno:
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Most YouTubers get paid for their reviews. At least the list of usual gear review suspects. "...all thoughts and opinions are my own." is a joke. I take everything that a YouTube reviewer says with a truck load of salt.
 
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