Why do you never hear... My T/D module is the bomb.

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Hey guys,

Short Question: Is the T/D capable of truly great blackface style tones?

Long (and probably unnecessary) blab:
I've been checking the forum out for a long time but have never pulled the trigger on Egnater Module stuff. Here's why...

You never here people say - "Oh my gosh, my T/D module just makes me want to weep in praise every time I play it."

Is that indicative of the twin just being a pretty straight forward clean sound - nothing special... or more that the people on this board just gravitate toward high gain stuff?

Obviously most guitar players lean toward distortion sounds. But really... how good is the T/D module?

I'm comparing the purchase of the modular stuff with purchasing -

Bruno UG30
Guytron GT100 F/V
Fargen Super Collider - (touchy subject around here lately)

- where arguably the main point of the amp is just beautiful soulful cleans - or at least they're all capable of it.

I just haven't heard a clip of the T/D that makes me think it can get there. The Indoor Storm clips are okay, but he plays it with a Tele and an Anderson Atom and not the strat :( and in the end it just sounds like a regular clean amp.

It seems like every time it's described it's just "your basic clean tone." Is that really all it is?

I think I would have ditched my interest in the whole modular thing a long time ago, accept for the V/X. I've heard some really great clips of that module and I just can't find a way to fill the V/X whole without buying an entire VOX-ish amp.

Here's some reference points for the blackface tones I'm after. Not the holy grail - just reference points.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuY29Be2Zho (first 1:30 only - total crap after that which answers the question "why don't you just go buy a fender?")
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjUnFSTHtcU (start about 2:00 in here).

thanks and sorry for the long post.
 
It's fantastic. The only thing is that most guys here use a Mod50 with a SL2 or EG5, and the Bman tends to have the same kind of Marshally-base voicing so it sounds a bit more complimentary next to them (although, the Bman is the warmest module out there - I personally think the T/D mixes just fine, very balanced, and if you're looking for clean headroom it's got it!).

https://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_mu ... dID=676119

John Czajkowski has some excellent T/D clips here, scroll down.
 
I'll agree with swimrunner here. I have a T/D module right now, and it is really a great module. I think what it boils down to is taste. I remember the first night with the Mod50, and being totally impressed with the T/D, especially channel A. As a side note, one of the amps I sold to pay for the Mod50 was a '76 Twin. The Mod50 totally spanked the real twin, in both volume and in feel. It just has this depth to it. I can't really explain it any better than that.

Kyle :)
 
I agree with all the above comments. I have a T/D and I really like it. I just tend to favor the VX for my cleans. I gravitate towards the more british sounds. The other problem some of us have is that we have too many modules and not enough amps to play them in all the time! :lol: :LOL:
 
T/D is great. I feel like it should be standard equipment, like when you got Super Mario Bros. as standard equipment for the Nintendo.
 
My working band is a Grateful Dead cover band. My entire stage rig is built around a Fender blackface Twin tone, which was the cornerstone of Jerry Garcia's tone ... warm, tone of headroom, nice tube tone.

I have tried a lot of things ... started with a 79 Fender Vibrolux, went to the Vibrolux reissue. Had and loved a 65 Deluxe reissue, too. Band got bigger, stages got bigger ... went to a 73 Fender Twin head modded to blackface specs. Also used a Groove Tubes Trio into a power amp for the clean channel. Tried an Alembic FB-2 also.

Then I got the Egnater M4 with the T/D module. That was the tone I was after ... perfect clean, nice and warm, the real deal. The Deluxe side allows you to push the gain a little bit for just the right amount of breakup, like a real Deluxe cranked up.

There's the BMan module, which takes it even further. The Vox module is also terrific.

I like to push the T/D with my DiMarzio Super II bridge pickup as a humbucker. Gets some great creamy and crackling drive happening.

I think you would be pleased with the sound.

There's not too many Deadheads here, I'm sure ... but here are a couple of HD samples of the band with me through the M4, a solid state power amp, JBL E-120s and a Real Tube Reverb.

http://playingdead.net/cumberland.html -- Super II bridge as a humbucker into the D side.

http://playingdead.net/hardertheycome.html -- Super II middle as single coil into the T side. Skip to 2:35 or so for the solo.

The higher gain stuff is amazing, too. It's an extremely versatile piece of equipment.

I am putting my loaded M4 up for sale now, because I went to the AxeFX, which also does a terrific clean Fender sound, by the way. It wasn't because I was unhappy with how the Egnater sounded, it was more an issue of getting the right tone out to FOH, fighting stage volume and challenges at the various venues we play at (cabinet against a brick wall, facing a glass wall, cramped stages, etc. A full-range powered wedge and the AxeFX is a better solution for me to play live). And two rack spaces versus 10 rack spaces, effects and a heavy 2X12 cabinet with JBLs is nice, too.
 
^^^^^^^Sounded great^^^^^^^
I followed them for a few yrs with friends. I was the only one wearing GNR shirts looking like I was just dropped out of a metal show. I am more of a weir fan but jerry had a great lead tone. I also got to shake hands with weir and say hi. LOL Im still a metal head/hard rock/blues type of guy.
 
muudrock":cjaenfy4 said:
I agree with all the above comments. I have a T/D and I really like it. I just tend to favor the VX for my cleans. I gravitate towards the more british sounds. The other problem some of us have is that we have too many modules and not enough amps to play them in all the time! :lol: :LOL:
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I agree too. The T/D is a great module. I will probably have another one at some point, but I prefer the warmer clean tones I get from BMan most of the time. However, Im GASing hard for Vx and T/D lately.
 
I use my T/D all the time for clean. usually the D side. sorry spaced on the post above and forgot to mention it. :lol: :LOL: Wow!
 
jlbaxe":2uhmdmns said:
^^^^^^^Sounded great^^^^^^^
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Thanks, man!

EWSEthan":2uhmdmns said:
However, Im GASing hard for Vx and T/D lately.
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My M4 comes with a Vox and TD (Bman, SL2, and HBE too), wouldn't an M4 be a great addition to your Mod 50? You could have all 6 modules on stage.

:D

I may wind up splitting it up, what do you guys figure the chassis alone is worth?

Really, to the OP, you should try and listen to an M4 or a Mod 50 live if you can, you won't be disappointed with the clean tones.
 
vjd3":2i71xd5h said:
My working band is a Grateful Dead cover band. My entire stage rig is built around a Fender blackface Twin tone, which was the cornerstone of Jerry Garcia's tone ... warm, tone of headroom, nice tube tone.

I have tried a lot of things ... started with a 79 Fender Vibrolux, went to the Vibrolux reissue. Had and loved a 65 Deluxe reissue, too. Band got bigger, stages got bigger ... went to a 73 Fender Twin head modded to blackface specs. Also used a Groove Tubes Trio into a power amp for the clean channel. Tried an Alembic FB-2 also.

Then I got the Egnater M4 with the T/D module. That was the tone I was after ... perfect clean, nice and warm, the real deal. The Deluxe side allows you to push the gain a little bit for just the right amount of breakup, like a real Deluxe cranked up.

There's the BMan module, which takes it even further. The Vox module is also terrific.

I like to push the T/D with my DiMarzio Super II bridge pickup as a humbucker. Gets some great creamy and crackling drive happening.

I think you would be pleased with the sound.

There's not too many Deadheads here, I'm sure ... but here are a couple of HD samples of the band with me through the M4, a solid state power amp, JBL E-120s and a Real Tube Reverb.

http://playingdead.net/cumberland.html -- Super II bridge as a humbucker into the D side.

http://playingdead.net/hardertheycome.html -- Super II middle as single coil into the T side. Skip to 2:35 or so for the solo.

The higher gain stuff is amazing, too. It's an extremely versatile piece of equipment.

I am putting my loaded M4 up for sale now, because I went to the AxeFX, which also does a terrific clean Fender sound, by the way. It wasn't because I was unhappy with how the Egnater sounded, it was more an issue of getting the right tone out to FOH, fighting stage volume and challenges at the various venues we play at (cabinet against a brick wall, facing a glass wall, cramped stages, etc. A full-range powered wedge and the AxeFX is a better solution for me to play live). And two rack spaces versus 10 rack spaces, effects and a heavy 2X12 cabinet with JBLs is nice, too.
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Wow, I'm impressed, you guys sound great. And your guitar tone is dead-on. I like how your other guitar player looks like Bobby down to the polo shirt and stage-body-language LOL.

Didn't Jerry use a Silverface Twin head into a solid state power amp for most of his career?
 
Thanks again!

Garcia used a Silverface Twin with blackface mods into a McIntosh 2300 power amp -- 600 watts and 150 pounds -- and three JBL E-120 speakers running at 2 ohms, from, oh, 78-92 or so. Then he went to a Groove Tubes Trio and they did the whole in-ear monitor thing. His tone was really thin from then on, but I loved the Twin into the Mac and the E-120s. That's crazy heavy to carry around, although I know people who do.

I'm sure he would enjoy the Egnater stuff if he were still around!
 
The T/D is a great sounding module

The T side just has the right amount of clean sparkle without being too brash or too dull
I love it as a clean sound for 80s rockj when you can then slam into an SL2 or EG5

But it is great for country, jazz, pop and clean blues too

The D side is great - has a snotty angry tone that is often hard to get - a little boxy but in a really good way
Great for taking country into blues - or good ol ZZ Top style stuff
This module would be the best seller in Nashville circles IMO

I also have the Bman and that has a warmer channel A (warmer than the T/D channel A) and the hotter channel B which gets into AC/DC JTM 45 territory too for obvious reasons

What's not to love?
 
Do they still make the T/D? I wish the channel A of the Bassman had more headroom but I like channel B of the Bassman too much to give it up for the T/D.
 
Thanks for the replies everyone. I appreciate the input - although it makes things more difficult decision wise.
I still haven't decided to pull the trigger yet, but it really does seem that Bruce and Jeff have created something that is - at least for me - going to be inevitable at some point.

thanks guys.

Nick
 
chickenoolie":10ohjuhq said:
Thanks for the replies everyone. I appreciate the input - although it makes things more difficult decision wise.
I still haven't decided to pull the trigger yet, but it really does seem that Bruce and Jeff have created something that is - at least for me - going to be inevitable at some point.

thanks guys.

Nick
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Well, if you get a Mod50 and some modules and decide you don't like it, the resale prices are REALLY GOOD! They hardly depreciate in value.
 
When I got my mod50 it came with a deluxe module and it's a WONDERFUL clean tone. Both my guitar playing friends and non-guitar playing family loves the way it sounds. It's unbelievably smooth and just damn pleasant. Then i have my vx doing a more jangly, not-so-clean, clean tone as well.
 
I just find the BMAN to be so much more useful for Fender tones
that the T/D doesn't sit in my rack for very long. The issue I have with the T/D is that
its hard to find an EQ setting that works for both the T and D side without the D side
sounding flubby (too much bass) or the T side sounding icepick bright (not enough bass).
I don't have this problem with any other dual Egnater module. At one point I remember Jeff saying
they were going to address this issue in a newer version of the T/D, not sure if this happened.
 
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