VH4: Differences between the newer ones and the older ones?

Ottochilli

Ottochilli

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Just havin read James Lugo´s thread I m asking myself if there s any thruth in this that rumour that the VH4 that are from 2007 or younger are the better sounding ones. Some say they are tighter and have even more gain. Well, a lack of gain is nothing I m concerned about.

My VH4 is from 2006.

Peter, please be honest to me. I ve got sleepless nights since then. :)

Cheers Otto
 
I have had both and the newer ones sound better to my ear.

2005 White VH4
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2009 VH4s
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Ottochilli":1mtm7o2v said:
Just havin read James Lugo´s thread I m asking myself if there s any thruth in this that rumour that the VH4 that are from 2007 or younger are the better sounding ones. Some say they are tighter and have even more gain. Well, a lack of gain is nothing I m concerned about.

My VH4 is from 2006.

Peter, please be honest to me. I ve got sleepless nights since then. :)

Cheers Otto
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I told You, I can take a look inside Your amp
 
Hi Peter,

I hope you arent too pi**** off. :thumbsup:


The point is, all three channels of my VH4 are great. I really like them.

I also like the 4th channel but I ve got problems cutting through the mix.

I know lot of my probs depend on choosing the right EQ-setting.

A guy I ve seen recently on stage told me his personal setting and this helped a lot.

But coming back to the topic. Are differences between the newer ones and the older ones?

Cheers Otto
 
Peter Diezel":ql8kazhy said:
Small differences concerning the feedback loop.
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Would that be something that I could change myself, being competent at soldering and having done amp mods in the past?
 
O.K. maybe I ve been asking stupid questions.

But I expected a little bit more feedback. :confused:

No VH4 users out there, that know both amps?

@Peter: I ve got no idea what a feedback loop is. Did you mean "Einschleifweg" (German term)?

Cheers Otto
 
Ottochilli":2h3507d8 said:
O.K. maybe I ve been asking stupid questions.

But I expected a little bit more feedback. :confused:

No VH4 users out there, that know both amps?

@Peter: I ve got no idea what a feedback loop is. Did you mean "Einschleifweg" (German term)?

Cheers Otto
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What type of answer are you hoping for??? If you like how your amp sounds, play it and don't look back. All this "revision" talk on any of our amps is completely over hyped and getting blown way out of proportion. No two amps are identical, no two tubes are identical. It is the summary of all parts. If you like how any amp sounds, keep it, if not, find one you do like and then keep it. Play Play Play!!!
 
As I pointed out, I ve got problems with the 4th channel. I doesnt cut well through the mix.

I thought maybe this could be a typical problem of the older ones.

Maybe its possible to get a ubdate or something like that.

BTW: I ve paid almost 3000 Euros for it. It s the amp I ve got to keep for the next 5 years. I m still looking for a cash cow.

IMO its not such a silly question from a technical point of view.
 
What isnt "cutting" about your 4th channel?? What are you looking to accomplish? Did you tinker with the EQs @ all?? Usually a minor change will go a long way. What kind of cabinet are you using?
 
Thank you for answering me seriously.

What do I mean with "problems to cut through"?

When I m playing lead the tones cant be heard anymore though I am actually playing loud enough. Too much compression or whatever.

It depends not on the box IMO. I ve got a Marshall from end of the 70ies loaded with g12 65 and also an engl V30 H.

Ive played my boxes with different types of amps and Ive never had that problem. I ve played a marshall DSL 100, TSL 100, a hot rodded 2203 so far and with lots of gain!!
 
What's the channel 4 settings? One thing for sure the 65's sound great but are really dark speakers and not so great with dark amps like the Diezel's. My other guitar player's cab is loaded with them and I have used it with any Diezel I've owned out of curiosity. I actually use to like them till I played a rehearsal with them to check it out in a band situation. It sounded great but had no cut from being WAY dark. Best with bright amps for sure. Now with the Vintage 30's you need to eq with ALOT of mid range to keep the note legible and supported, otherwise it's too thin and the only thing that will come through is the ultra high notes. V30 is best with alot of midrange and reduced high's. All IMO of course, so take it as you will.

Later on,

Nick
 
Duolos":2ujr8yre said:
Ottochilli":2ujr8yre said:
O.K. maybe I ve been asking stupid questions.

But I expected a little bit more feedback. :confused:

No VH4 users out there, that know both amps?

@Peter: I ve got no idea what a feedback loop is. Did you mean "Einschleifweg" (German term)?

Cheers Otto
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What type of answer are you hoping for??? If you like how your amp sounds, play it and don't look back. All this "revision" talk on any of our amps is completely over hyped and getting blown way out of proportion. No two amps are identical, no two tubes are identical. It is the summary of all parts. If you like how any amp sounds, keep it, if not, find one you do like and then keep it. Play Play Play!!!
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Wise man!! Best advice you can get, find your tone a go nuts! :thumbsup:
 
Ottochilli":27xrc9lw said:
As I pointed out, I ve got problems with the 4th channel. I doesnt cut well through the mix.

I thought maybe this could be a typical problem of the older ones.

Maybe its possible to get a ubdate or something like that.

BTW: I ve paid almost 3000 Euros for it. It s the amp I ve got to keep for the next 5 years. I m still looking for a cash cow.

IMO its not such a silly question from a technical point of view.
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Seriously....

You should have no troubles getting any channel on any Diezel amp to cut through. A so called "revision" is not going to address the issue of cutting in a band mix. It is the players settings, cabs, tunings, etc. In all honesty, many of the best sounds I have heard via a VH4 have been off of what you refer to as the "old" version. Up your mids, presence, treble and channel volume to noon or 1 and use the master to open the amp up. You will not lose low end on the VH4 by abundantly using presence, mids and treble. Back off the bass and deep and see what that does for you. It very well could be a cabinet situation.
 
This is crazy!!, It's like everybody thinks all of the Vh4 amps made before 2007 are junk!! Mine friggin rocks and it is an 2005 model. The guys who make the amps are saying there is hardly any difference and yet, nobody seems to believe them. Now everybody that wants to buy a used Vh4 is only interested on an 2007 or newer?
I 100% agree with Terry, no 2 amps are gonna be the same. period!!! So many variables involved in a guitar sound, it could come down to 1 tube making all of the difference. It was not too long ago people were going crazy for the old blue face models and they were all the hype. Now it is only the ones made after 2007?
Come on guys!! :gethim: :gethim:
 
I've heard from people who have had their VH4s updated that it makes a pretty drastic difference.
That's not two different amps, that's the SAME amp, with mostly the SAME components, but updated.

IMO, if "updating" or "revising", or whatever you want to call it changes the amp that much, then I'm interested.
I don't see why it's got to be so hush-hush.
 
rareguitar":1ml3fmdn said:
I have had both and the newer ones sound better to my ear.
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I agree and ironically... I said the same thing a few months back and had my post deleted. I guess when the site admin makes the same claim, it gets to stay. Interesting.

No matter how much certain people might not want to deal with the facts, the 2007 and newer VH4 amps do sound much, much better. There have indeed been changes made.

Hopefully this post doesn't get deleted.

:checkthisout:
 
Wizard of Ozz":1d0nrluy said:
rareguitar":1d0nrluy said:
I have had both and the newer ones sound better to my ear.
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I agree and ironically... I said the same thing a few months back and had my post deleted. I guess when the site admin makes the same claim, it gets to stay. Interesting.

No matter how much certain people might not want to deal with the facts, the 2007 and newer VH4 amps do sound much, much better. There have indeed been changes made.

Hopefully this post doesn't get deleted.

:checkthisout:
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I did not delete any earlier posts. Mods please DO NOT delete this mans comment. :thumbsup: rock on...
 
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