What is the deal with companies claiming - True-Bypass !??

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This topic always causes a stir of opinions. I know what true-bypass is and how it looks like when laid out in schematics, but what upsets me is all the confusion companies cause with shady advertising. For example...

As far as I understand it, hardwire bypass is NOT the same thing as true-bypass.

MXR for example, claims "hardwire bypass" on it's EVH Phase 90 pedal. To me, that not a bad setup, but it is NOT true-bypass. But then, for the Carbon Copy, they claim "true-hardwire bypass"! Now, that is awfully confusing! Is it true-bypass, or are they just feeding us crap to try and confuse us? Why put the terms together? That's just confusing. To make matters worse, they call the Cry Baby Classic, "True-Hardwire Bypass" and then the Cry Baby GCB95, simply "Hardwire Bypass."

Then, you have Digitech. They call their new line of pedals "Hardwire", but they claim they are "True Hardwire Bypass" Again, the two terms together. If they are indeed TB, I'm not sure how they accomplished it. Since they are not using a DPDT switch or something like that, it's more like little electronic switch, I guess it must have some kind relay or something like that, to do the switching.

I just think that all these companies are calling their pedals "True Hardwire Bypass" because they know they can't call them simply "True-Bypass" because they are not!

What do you guys think of this? To me, the terms should be very simple:

-True-Bypass = for real true-bypass
-Hardwire Bypass = for passive bypass that may still be connected to the circuit somehow, but does not mess with the impedance.
-Buffered Bypass = for those that are not true-bypass and use buffers to avoid tone-suck
 
It's like the term "real-time". No shit? I'm AMAZED. :jerkit: Just another marketing buzz-word. My current favorite non guitar related buzz-word is drinkability. Bud Lite throws that word around with some bs %'s to sell their rat piss and it works for them. *Sigh* I can't wait to see what lies in store for the coming 'Bowl. :doh:
 
Yeah its marketing crap. It's the same as amp companies throwing around the term "class A" or class 'A'. People actually get really pissed off and argumentative about this one. Its widely accepted now for companies to use the term class 'A'.

All it does is confuse people, and unless they've caught on to the misuse of the term, have them believe the new pedal they bought is something that its not.
 
vchizzle":3ia42baz said:
Yeah its marketing crap. It's the same as amp companies throwing around the term "class A" or class 'A'. People actually get really pissed off and argumentative about this one. Its widely accepted now for companies to use the term class 'A'.

All it does is confuse people, and unless they've caught on to the misuse of the term, have them believe the new pedal they bought is something that its not.

Class A is a good term for meat, eggs and milk. Wait. Is it Grade A?!! :D
 
Kiteboarder":3gjxkvfv said:
This topic always causes a stir of opinions. I know what true-bypass is and how it looks like when laid out in schematics, but what upsets me is all the confusion companies cause with shady advertising. For example...

As far as I understand it, hardwire bypass is NOT the same thing as true-bypass.

MXR for example, claims "hardwire bypass" on it's EVH Phase 90 pedal. To me, that not a bad setup, but it is NOT true-bypass. But then, for the Carbon Copy, they claim "true-hardwire bypass"! Now, that is awfully confusing! Is it true-bypass, or are they just feeding us crap to try and confuse us? Why put the terms together? That's just confusing. To make matters worse, they call the Cry Baby Classic, "True-Hardwire Bypass" and then the Cry Baby GCB95, simply "Hardwire Bypass."

Then, you have Digitech. They call their new line of pedals "Hardwire", but they claim they are "True Hardwire Bypass" Again, the two terms together. If they are indeed TB, I'm not sure how they accomplished it. Since they are not using a DPDT switch or something like that, it's more like little electronic switch, I guess it must have some kind relay or something like that, to do the switching.

I just think that all these companies are calling their pedals "True Hardwire Bypass" because they know they can't call them simply "True-Bypass" because they are not!

What do you guys think of this? To me, the terms should be very simple:

-True-Bypass = for real true-bypass
-Hardwire Bypass = for passive bypass that may still be connected to the circuit somehow, but does not mess with the impedance.
-Buffered Bypass = for those that are not true-bypass and use buffers to avoid tone-suck

Yep, an amp with EL84 power tube(s) is always Class A, no matter how many power tubes it has... :doh:
 
get a good buffer and don't worry about it anymore...

besides if all your pedals are TB, you'll have massive amounts of "tone suck" just from all the cables involved.

TB = overrated
 
True Bypass is not overrated!!

If you can't hear the difference between a cable straight in and tour signal passing through a diode, your amp sucks!!! :D
 
Copperhead":3j5wzgqp said:
True Bypass is not overrated!!

If you can't hear the difference between a cable straight in and tour signal passing through a diode, your amp sucks!!! :D

If you're only using one pedal then yes. But the signal loss from a bunch of cables and TB pedals will degrade your tone much worse than if you were to get a high quality buffer and not worry about the bypass.

and I have many great amps... ;)
 
GtrWiz":3kpzg9dp said:
Copperhead":3kpzg9dp said:
True Bypass is not overrated!!

If you can't hear the difference between a cable straight in and tour signal passing through a diode, your amp sucks!!! :D

If you're only using one pedal then yes. But the signal loss from a bunch of cables and TB pedals will degrade your tone much worse than if you were to get a high quality buffer and not worry about the bypass.

and I have many great amps... ;)

Have to agree with the man. He does have many great amps. (actually I don't know)

I also have to agree, True Bypass is not always the best.
 
chode7":5q0ueyeb said:
It's like the term "real-time". No shit? I'm AMAZED. :jerkit: Just another marketing buzz-word. My current favorite non guitar related buzz-word is drinkability. Bud Lite throws that word around with some bs %'s to sell their rat piss and it works for them. *Sigh* I can't wait to see what lies in store for the coming 'Bowl. :doh:

Heheh... for some reason when I read that, this popped into my head:

 
I think the best thing is to have a pedal with a good buffer first, then true bypass pedals, then one with a buffer at the end of the chain.
 
ruso":2z7uzvmc said:
Heheh... for some reason when I read that, this popped into my head:


Carlin gets me in touch with my hate. :clap: \:D/ :D I will miss that old bastard.

No such thing as true bypass IMHO amigos. Granted there is stuff out there way better than others but I agree with the buffer post. That or a line mixer.

While we're on the subject of dumb buzz-words another I'm sure I'll hear or see in e-mail tomorrow is Going Forward. What a completely dumbass useless business term. What am I gonna go backwards? Sorry guys I already got a case of the Muuuundays. :doh:
 
This all sounds good. The need for a good buffer or two is important when running a bunch of TB pedals. But, if you have 5 TB pedals and 5 buffered pedals... That, IMHO, sucks. Then again, what's are good buffers? Or better yet... What are good buffered pedals.

But still, the whole point is... We demand to know what is and what is not! If it is TB, great! If it isn't, then freaking let us know, and stop the shady marketing.

But really... Which pedals make good buffers??

-D
 
GtrWiz":dcsja9wz said:
Copperhead":dcsja9wz said:
True Bypass is not overrated!!

If you can't hear the difference between a cable straight in and your signal passing through a diode, your amp sucks!!! :D

If you're only using one pedal then yes. But the signal loss from a bunch of cables and TB pedals will degrade your tone much worse than if you were to get a high quality buffer and not worry about the bypass.

and I have many great amps... ;)

The buffer input on my Voodoo Lab pedal switcher actually is not bad. I do use that input when I have to run a longer cable from the pedal board to the amp at larger venues. Pedals to me are a neccesary evil. I run a tuner, boost, chorus, delay, each on their own loop. 90% of the time, however I'm bypassing all. My best tone is achieved by running a 10' DiMarzio cable straight in, everything else is a compromise. And yes, I can hear the difference. It's probably all vanity however, the audience most likely can't hear the difference and wouldn't care if they did. :doh:
 
Nigel Tufnel":2wtvjppc said:
Scroll towards the bottom of the page on this link, lots of good info.
http://www.stinkfoot.se/andreas/diy/diyhome.htm

Very good link.

I generally look for pedals with a decent buffer or true bypass and I like to mix at least a few buffers in my pedal chain. The exception for me is Wah pedals, those must be True bypass or I notice them loading down the signal. The major company's have sure caught on to the True Bypass Trend and are marketing alot of confusing terminology. Best practice is to ask some users of the pedals if they suck tone or get a Looper.

The only thing I don't like about most MXR pedals is their bypass. One in the chain is not bad, but stack a couple up and I really notice some tone sucking.
 
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