yeah more low mids, thats the voicing difference I was hearingI personally found it to sound identical to an 800, but MORE oomph on green crunch. Maybe a hair more low mids? I don't know, but it's fat sounding.
Totally understand that question, especially considering that I typically do not place anything in front of my amps. But in this particular case I want to try a boost. There's something about the character and feel of a mid-gain Marshall (like an JCM800) with a boost out front that is pretty special and unique. Certainly the red channel will have considerably more gain, but (in theory) will not likely respond or have the same clarity and punch as the green channel boosted. At least this has been my experience with Marshalls I have owned previously.Not sure why you wouldn't just use the red channel.
Totally understand that question, especially considering that I typically do not place anything in front of my amps. But in this particular case I want to try a boost. There's something about the character and feel of a mid-gain Marshall (like an JCM800) with a boost out front that is pretty special and unique. Certainly the red channel will have considerably more gain, but (in theory) will not likely respond or have the same clarity and punch as the green channel boosted. At least this has been my experience with Marshalls I have owned previously.
Same, I don't use an OD to hit the front end. I just simply DO NOT want to go down that path, I want the amp to give me what I need. And why I probably could never get the DSL to work for me. Green needed to be hit and the Red was sorta a mess but for whatever reason I kept trying it. I mean even right now they pique my interest.I would jump at the chance to grab one now as well.
I am not a guy who uses pedals, for me the amp has to do everything I need it to.
My one exception to that may be reverb. If the amp doesn't already have it, I run through my Z-Verb first.
Same, I don't use an OD to hit the front end. I just simply DO NOT want to go down that path, I want the amp to give me what I need. And why I probably could never get the DSL to work for me. Green needed to be hit and the Red was sorta a mess but for whatever reason I kept trying it. I mean even right now they pique my interest.
That's why "for me" the JVM checked all the boxes...no OD needed. In fact OD1 Orange on the JVM has kept me with that amp since it came out. Still everytime I see a deal on a DSL, especially a 50W I'm almost ready to buy lol and I've heard tons of guys get great tones from them.
This! I have a TSL 100 2x12 combo and for months I was just playing it without any pedals. At that time I knew nothing about pedals. Someone told me to get a TS9 and put it in front of the amp with the level dimed, tone in the middle, and drive at zero or a hair above zero. I did this with the crunch channel and I was blown away with the sound! It literally made the amp from sounding ok to holy shit why didn't I learn about this trick sooner!I don’t understand being against using a boost? Guys have been boosting since literally the birth of distortion, I just don’t understand why restrict yourself
I actually do kind of understand this philosophy , and have been guilty of it myself to some degree. I typically have been drawn to versatile, hi-fi sounding heads with a ton of built in gain and aggression. but lately I have been going back a little before my time and listening to the rhythm tones of Jake (particularly Ultimate Sin era), Early Nuno and Zakk...All sound amazing and all are mid gain Marshall amps with a boost out front. I was cranking BLS Blessed Hellride album in my car the other day and listing to those super crunchy, ripping upper mids that he gets and thinking: I may need to get my hands on a Marshall and a boost pedal. Another thing that I find interesting is that some of the modern high-gainers introduced to the market recently (Hellrazor, Uber Ultra, Hermannson, Omega) and seem to be popular tend to have a bit of that "boosted" quality out of the box: extremely tight bottom end with a bit of "clank"....those edgy mids and a very crisp top end. If I had to guess this started around the Fortin era of mods and has progressed forward significantly over the last few years.I don’t understand being against using a boost? Guys have been boosting since literally the birth of distortion, I just don’t understand why restrict yourself
100 watt DSL's mostly had/have the bias problem as its a heat related issue.I had a DSL100 and DSL50 back when they were current. I gigged with them alot and used to sing their praises online. They were both from '98 or '99 and the bias drift issue wasn't a known thing yet. I didn't have any problems with them at all. I guess I was lucky?
Just recently, I ran across a '98 DSL50 in great condition that sounded killer. I bought it mostly because I regretted not keeping one when I had them. I've biased it up and left it run for a while, played for a while, etc... and the bias didn't drift. But that wasn't during real hard use, so who knows.
I recorded an all original CD with a DSL50 cranked into a 1960AX cab with Greenbacks and the tone is perfect.
Same, I don't use an OD to hit the front end. I just simply DO NOT want to go down that path, I want the amp to give me what I need. And why I probably could never get the DSL to work for me. Green needed to be hit and the Red was sorta a mess but for whatever reason I kept trying it. I mean even right now they pique my interest.
That's why "for me" the JVM checked all the boxes...no OD needed. In fact OD1 Orange on the JVM has kept me with that amp since it came out. Still everytime I see a deal on a DSL, especially a 50W I'm almost ready to buy lol and I've heard tons of guys get great tones from them.
I was running mine into a 4x12 with CL80's from the 80's (not the newer ones) and I found the green channel slightly dull and the red channel perfect.Same, I don't use an OD to hit the front end. I just simply DO NOT want to go down that path, I want the amp to give me what I need. And why I probably could never get the DSL to work for me. Green needed to be hit and the Red was sorta a mess but for whatever reason I kept trying it. I mean even right now they pique my interest.
That's why "for me" the JVM checked all the boxes...no OD needed. In fact OD1 Orange on the JVM has kept me with that amp since it came out. Still everytime I see a deal on a DSL, especially a 50W I'm almost ready to buy lol and I've heard tons of guys get great tones from them.
I can see the green channel being much better with the volume up. Just like a JCM800.The way to run these is on the green channel with the volume knob dimed and then to use the gain knob as the volume knob. AC/DC in a box there.
I've had a few and did an OT and choke upgrade on my last one. Damn, it sounded so nice. Kinda miss it, but I have too many amps. The new ones are good too, but also get a lot better with an OT and choke upgrade. Easy job and you can eBay the old OT off for almost even money.
I’ll add green channel boosted. had a 2203 reissue and dsl at the same time, green channel boosted had as much ooomph as the 2203, they just had slightly different voicings
DSL’s are such an “almost” amp. Horrible as a channel switcher because of the voicing disparity. They’re an amp that if it was backline or at a rehearsal space you’ll be like “Hmm, I can make that work”. But I would never want to use one if I had a choice. Agree that green boosted is better than the red channel. An interesting setting though is almost maxing the red gain on LD2 for a quasi Fu Manchu sound.
Whatever someone wants to do is fine by me, I honestly could are less, I just prefer to let the amp do the work.I don’t understand being against using a boost? Guys have been boosting since literally the birth of distortion, I just don’t understand why restrict yourself