Braciola
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........ and the mids at 2
The Bogner Snorkler REBORN!!! Michael Nielsen
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NewWorldMan
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........ and the mids at 2
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braintheory
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Alnico Cream's in person I actually find too smooth (opposite of fizzy). I think it's just his recording execution giving him that sound more than the actual guitar gear he uses. He had more or less the same sound in his clips where he used V30's and those sound very different than Alnico Cream's. It's misleading to the Alnico Cream sound from his taste I guess in what he likes in recorded sounds
ChuggNorris
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Reza demo'd the Snorkler let's see if he can make it sound like...........Enter your own word/phrase here...........................
...........Yikes.
He somehow made this sound as bad
as the wizzer heel riser clips on rigtalk.
Shoot, good thing my JEL-100 covers both those.
LPMojoGL
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Not following the convo, but thought it worth mentioning...
Many years ago, I played an early Bogner blue board mod, built into a 4104. Was excited to buy it. I had owned a few Bogners at that point, and figured this would be the one.
Passed on it. It was noisy and quite middy.
Dunno if it was the same mod as the Snorkler. But think it had to be in that realm.
Back then folks weren't so knowledgeable about the Marshall mods.
Today we have so many amazing amps and mods available to us, that eclipse anything that was around back then. I can't see buying this for anything other than nostalgia, or if you just really like that thing it does.
Why not have your cake, and eat it too?
Many years ago, I played an early Bogner blue board mod, built into a 4104. Was excited to buy it. I had owned a few Bogners at that point, and figured this would be the one.
Passed on it. It was noisy and quite middy.
Dunno if it was the same mod as the Snorkler. But think it had to be in that realm.
Back then folks weren't so knowledgeable about the Marshall mods.
Today we have so many amazing amps and mods available to us, that eclipse anything that was around back then. I can't see buying this for anything other than nostalgia, or if you just really like that thing it does.
Why not have your cake, and eat it too?
LPMojoGL
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Reza demo'd the Snorkler let's see if he can make it sound like...........Enter your own word/phrase here...........................
I don't know or have anything against Reeza, didn't witness his downfall with the RT community.
That said, the clip sounds fine to me. You can hear the grind and articulation on the thicker lows and mids. Seems pretty tight, maybe a bit thin on the top end, on my phone.
Honestly, if this demo was done by someone else, there'd be less ball busting, and more drooling. Or maybe a combination of both at the same time. Cause some of yall are freaks. You know who you are.
Cameron, Larry, Klon, Dumble. Thank you and good night!
NorCal_Val
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Absolutely.
Which is why I almost never use my Helios(100w) in ‘80s mode. I like how unpolished the Helios sounds in ‘70s mode. It’s AC/DC to early Van Halen Marshall goodness all day long. Especially through a Greenback loaded 4x12.
Beyond Black
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I actually like many of his clips, they’re aggressive af and would kill in a mix.
But that clip should be the soundtrack for an Alka Seltzer commercial.
* velcro-fly *
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What’s the ETA? Figure you might have an inside track
* velcro-fly *
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Only way I played my Helios 50 was in 70s mode with the tone stack removed. That was a killer amp.....
LPMojoGL
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I had the Helios 50 at the same time as a 50w Vogel 4 holer. I flipped the Helios after comparing them. Hard to beat a plexi style amp with a good mv and some choice mods.
It will be a couple weeks according to Jorg!What’s the ETA? Figure you might have an inside track
NorCal_Val
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Agreed. I also use the Variac switch. Running the Helios with no eq, at ~35w, through a greenback loaded 4x12, is as close to that early VH tone as I’ll ever get. It’s glorious.
FourT6and2
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I think it's the best Bogner. And the least Bogner sounding haha. Really versatile amp if you don't need channel switching. Literally a JCM800 with the ability to bypass a gain stage. Tone stack lift, diode clipping, bright switches, low/hi power... That's basically all someone needs for most sounds. The only things that would make this amp more versatile (maybe too versatile for most), would be a variable NFB control and a variable slope control. But at the end of the day, as most will inevitably come to realize, it's hard to beat a boosted and/or hot-rodded 800 and that's exactly why Bogner built the Helios.
For more gain and more saturation, just needs a 4th gain stage. Oh wait... Helios Eclipse.
crwnedblasphemy
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I saw Reza’s video first. I always note to myself his demos sound on the bright side cuz he uses creamback alnicos in his 4x12 usually.
braintheory
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The one I had not too long ago may have been the same one. If so, the amp really transforms a lot when turning the mids down a ton. Went from bloated mids and flubby, not great, to being a lot clearer, tighter and more balanced. Needed to be loud too. A lot of Bogner’s can be very weird to dial in with their eq’s vs other amps, especially the Uber’s (used to not be a fan). As far as Marshall’s mods go it was imo one of the better ones I had (I’ve pretty much tried all besides Morin). I’d even choose it over most Cameron’s I’ve had or tried, but a very different type of flavor, but a more unique one, not just another Jose thing. I’m actually looking forward to this Snorkler a lot. As long as it doesn’t have that awful filtered/cardboardy quality like the UU and many other recent amps I don’t see what can go wrong and could be potentially even be the best amp they’ve made since the Rev 1 Uber 23 years ago now (imo their last truly special amp). Wishful thinking, but imo not too far fetched. And I’m not at all an AIC fan of their music or sound. I just like any gear that sounds good independent of artist associations
I don’t agree with respect to today’s amps. There’s a few exceptions like Wizards, Naylor, Alessandro, Gjika and Ronin that are as in their own ways as good as the greats of vintage amps, but most recent amps IME going through such a rabbit hole of these “boutique” ones sound in direct comparison to me so sterile and boring and very few even are new sounds, but rather filtered sounding versions of sounds we heard decades ago with some modern convenient features (but worse quality tone). I wasn’t even born when most of those great vintage amps came out, but it seems more so that most of the best amps are behind us and that they’re trying now to get as close as they can to that but with more practicality/flexibility. I’d rather they just come out with something that sounds as good as it can without that extraneous stuff or better yet something new AND good and without the filtered/sterile crap many modern high gainers especially suffer from
I’ve not been impressed with most mods either. Besides Langner, Cameron, Bogner, and a few others I had, most of them to me sounded worse than simply a good stock ‘70’s JMP2203/4 boosted with my Klon. Cameron says himself it’s very hard to mod a Marshall to sound better than that
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