Proof there is a God

Figured I'd bang this out before VonBonFire gets back.
Thought about it for awhile as a good topic point :dunno:
Most of you know how I feel about.
I respect everyone's beliefs.
What are yours?

Kind of like 'Proof the Earth is flat vibe. Show me!
 
All the effort going to create artificial intelligence with programming and it's still not there yet. Yet people think we happened by accident.

Look at the human eye it's like sophisticated camera with multiple lenses and a biological photo receptor that sends signals to the central processing unit (brain). This happened by chance? If you believe that, you'd believe an explosion in a printing factory could create the Oxford dictionary.

As @NowYou'rePlayingWithPower said look around you - that's general revelation (the truth's that can be seen through nature). Read the Bible for special revelation.
 
Much easier to argue the opposite in my opinion. No religious person I've ever known has had a decent answer when I ask for proof of God. Going to church as a kid made me question all the impossible stuff in the Bible. actually reading the Bible made me an atheist.
 
Bloodrock said:
Much easier to argue the opposite in my opinion. No religious person I've ever known has had a decent answer when I ask for proof of God. Going to church as a kid made me question all the impossible stuff in the Bible. actually reading the Bible made me an atheist.
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You don't have to prove or disprove God it's non falsifiable. You either believe or you don't.

I would say no non-religious person has even had a decent answer for how the universe or life started. Nor can they truly get to the bottom of physics which attempts to explain things work but can never truly say how it all came to be that way. For all of man's arrogance they still don't know the answer to the deepest questions. One day they will find out however I doubt it'll be from their own brains/intellect.

There are actually Christian physicists and scientists by the way. I did science at university although I decided to transfer over to business half way through for pragmatic and long term financial reasons. You don't have to be an idiot to believe in God. Nor do you have to read the Bible like it's a modern western science textbook. That's being an idiot too.
 
Thumbpicker said:
You don't have to prove or disprove God it's non falsifiable. You either believe or you don't.
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I can understand why people would want to believe. Personally I just found too much nonsense ans way too many contradictions in the Bible to believe. I also don't need to be threatened with eternal damnation to be a good person. There are plenty of logical, viable reasons for living a moral life other than reward or punishment. If you're only a good person due to the promise of eternal salvation or fear of hell, then you're not actually moral, your just kissing up basically.
 
Depends on what your definition of God is.
A creator of the universe?
Omnipotent?
Both don't have to be true.
It's possible the universe was created by someone/something that is completely unaware of our existence.
Does that make God any less real?
 
When mankind had evolved enough to invent means of writing/record keeping, a group of influential men sat down and then, Poof there was a God
 
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You either do or don't. I really don't care what others believe or think.
But when you can count on 2 hands the number of times you should be dead and you're not it gets yer attention.
 
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The non believing person wants proof but they would not believe it if they received it anyways as evidenced by the story of the Exodus where God smote the Egyptians with plagues and performed many miracles and signs in the 40 years of wilderness and still they didn't believe. They were not allowed to enter the land of promise due to their unbelief and all of them who left Egypt died in the wilderness. You don't vet God with proof, he vets you by your faith.
 
Bloodrock said:
If you're only a good person due to the promise of eternal salvation or fear of hell, then you're not actually moral, your just kissing up basically.
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Nothing to do with being good or good works. It's about recognising we are inherently sinful (not inherently good) and accepting a free gift from God through the death of Christ for the forgiveness of sins. Christians trying to be good (and failing at it) is just out of thankfulness to God by following his commands for him accepting and saving us even though we are flawed. Nothing we can do make it otherwise therefore we rely on God's grace and mercy. Anyone who thinks it's about good works and that's going to get you to heaven fundamentally misunderstands what it's all about.
 
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I'm certainly open to believing that we were created by something greater than us. I'd say there is a very high likelihood of it. I just am generally very skeptical of anything hordes of people tell me I should believe without proof. I was forced to go to a parochial school until I was kicked out in 7th grade. And I was forced to go to church every Sunday. When I turned 15 I emancipated myself ( that had nothing to do with religion) and I can count the times I have been in a church since on one hand.
 
Thumbpicker said:
Nothing to do with being good or good works. It's about recognising we are inherently sinful (not inherently good) and accepting a free gift from God through the death of Christ for the forgiveness of sins. Christians trying to be good (and failing at it) is just out of thankfulness to God by following his commands for him accepting and saving us even though we are flawed. Nothing we can do make it otherwise therefore we rely on God's grace and mercy. Anyone who thinks it's about good works and that's going to get you to heaven fundamentally misunderstands what it's all about.
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Well-said bro'.

The vast majority (all even?) of other religions exploit the fact that sin is inherent and that it plays on one's conscience and... viola, you have another religion that declares the necessity to earn your way into Heaven.

God's "impossible" standards were laid-out in TOT so who in his right mind would logically think that he could "impress" Him? "God, don't look at the countless sins I've committed but rather, judge me on my good works, such as when I [fill in the blanks]".

Laughable that arguably the vast majority of faiths and believers actually fall for that. IMHO.

Thumbpicker said:
Look at the human eye it's like sophisticated camera with multiple lenses and a biological photo receptor that sends signals to the central processing unit (brain). This happened by chance? If you believe that, you'd believe an explosion in a printing factory could create the Oxford dictionary.
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Indeed brudda; it's irreducibly-complex, like pretty-much every other component of the body's systems including cells... and the system itself.
 
You want proof ? I was born a poor black child in rural Mississisippa in 1947.. now I can play guitar like a white dude from the 1980's

Suck it, losers !

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