Good amp for a dry vintage tone

Zmo87 said:
Sounds quite plausible. For whatever reason I'm more intrigued by single channels and if I had to have more than one two would be the most I'd want. I'd rather just throw a boost in the rhythm channel than have a third channel. I know it's a first world problem/neurotic thing, but I'm honestly annoyed my mark vii has 3 channels and I don't like any of the choices of the third channel. That's why I liked my v35 as it had two channels that I could do so much with
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If I can get everything I need out of two channels, which I could with the V, Ch 1 and 2, including high gain of all flavors etc; I don’t care if the amp has even 4 channels. As long as I get what I’m looking for. I love the idea of a well designed single channel amp that has great variety within simple changes (I have 4 of those, including an 80’s Pro tube Laney which would be another recommendation) …but at the end of the day, if I’m looking for a certain thing and CH 2 of some 3-4 channel, mini toggle, infested nightmare gets me there, I’ll use it. How many people have an Engl Savage or the like and dial in one heavy gain and never use anything else but the solo boost? Diezel VH4 users who never leave CH 3.
What’s hilarious is some of the mega amps will still be less than some boutique guy’s special hand wired Vox or Fender.

Another recommendation could be a high powered Fender like a late 60’s/early 70’s Showman and the right pedals.

For an audio reference on the Laney Pro Tube, I believe The Sword used it as the main amp on their first album.
 
Zmo87 said:
I mean I wouldn't consider working with 4k a money issue, but I also have a family/just got married, etc, so a wizard is not going to be a right choice especially with the unknown of returning it if it doesnt do It for me. I also 'know' that the tone can be achieved with say a jcm800, but I'm not exactly sure how. I mainly only heard wizards in doom contexts and as much as I like doom, I'm not into my amp sounding like it's about to blow up and although my model t is cool, it's not 'the one'
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If you can make an 800 sound like a Wizard, I would go that route.
 
Zmo87 said:
I think I'm definitely going to if not soon later on.
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While you don't have to get it stupid loud, it's definitely an amp that needs some volume behind it to really get your moneys worth. It isn't a hard amp to dial in at all, the simplicity is part of the charm.

It records very well, but honestly in a full band setting is where these amps really shine. I kind of bought mine on a whim, because I found a great deal on it. I has mixed feelings about it until I played it with a full band a few times.
 
Zmo87 said:
I don't disagree listening to that, but that amp has way too much going on for me. It's not as bad, but reminds me of the reason I bought and sold an ax fx, Kemper and quad cortex. I don't have enough time in my life to dial in a million things or do I need more than 1 or two channels. I like to keep things simple and make them complicated with my pedal board if need be. Although my pedal board is likely pretty basic honestly.
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Yeah, it's a bit much to look at, with four channels, three modes per channel and independent EQ and gain for each channel.

But if you want a JCM-ish tone, it's there. If you want a plexi-ish tone, it's there. If you want a Silver Jubilee-ish or a JCM2000 or a JCM900 tone, it's there.

I'm pretty much a set and forget musician. I mean, I like to dabble when I'm at home, but once I've dialled in something I like, I might keep it on that setting for weeks without tweaking.

That said, you seem to really like the Deliverance, and I can recommend the VHT route. I've only tried the Deliverance model on my Axe FX, but I own an Sig:X and it's a great amp. Here's a video.




The Deliverance is even more dry, I believe, so that makes playing it really difficult, so keep that in mind.


Techdeth said:
Sounds great . This amp gets really good sounds . The need a roar button to make it open for loud live player .
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I think that might partially be my fault, or rather the fault of my living situation. Can't really hike the volume all that much in my house. But when you do, the amp really opens up.
 
On the cheap, any of the 80s SS Marshalls ( with a boost ). Have a batch of those myself and have used them for jams.
Fantastic tones that easily keep up with my tube amps. Don't feel like I'm missing anything playing them.
 
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nightlight said:
Yeah, it's a bit much to look at, with four channels, three modes per channel and independent EQ and gain for each channel.

But if you want a JCM-ish tone, it's there. If you want a plexi-ish tone, it's there. If you want a Silver Jubilee-ish or a JCM2000 or a JCM900 tone, it's there.

I'm pretty much a set and forget musician. I mean, I like to dabble when I'm at home, but once I've dialled in something I like, I might keep it on that setting for weeks without tweaking.

That said, you seem to really like the Deliverance, and I can recommend the VHT route. I've only tried the Deliverance model on my Axe FX, but I own an Sig:X and it's a great amp. Here's a video.




The Deliverance is even more dry, I believe, so that makes playing it really difficult, so keep that in mind.





I think that might partially be my fault, or rather the fault of my living situation. Can't really hike the volume all that much in my house. But when you do, the amp really opens up.
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I had a jvm for a bit . My only problem was it never opened up with that OLD Marshall roar in the room . For recording it’s really great
 
nightlight said:
Yeah, it's a bit much to look at, with four channels, three modes per channel and independent EQ and gain for each channel.

But if you want a JCM-ish tone, it's there. If you want a plexi-ish tone, it's there. If you want a Silver Jubilee-ish or a JCM2000 or a JCM900 tone, it's there.
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Problem with that amp, is the ratio way favors the “ish”.
 
rsm said:
Splawn Quickrod 100

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For the music styles listed and price range listed you really can't beat a Splawn for the tones you say you are wanting out of an amp, plus you can get a newer one with good filter/electrolytic caps ready to go with two channels almost three if you included the two footswitchable gain modes on the gain channel plus you get a solo boost which is real handy. You can always go with a Super Stock instead of the Quickrod, these will do everything from Marshall plexi, JCM800 to hot rodded Marshalls and stay within your price range.:yes::2thumbsup:

Here's a Splawn quickrod RT member Nitrobattery recorded these tunes with!

 
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All great options

I can tell you that the B100 deluxe with the gain structure on low does kill for that

I’ve thought about selling mine because redundancy but it’s got tons of options and it kills so what’s the point of selling?
 
Corey James said:
All great options

I can tell you that the B100 deluxe with the gain structure on low does kill for that

I’ve thought about selling mine because redundancy but it’s got tons of options and it kills so what’s the point of selling?
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That's what I was wondering. The option to change the gain structure really intrigued me. So do you feel like the BE can capture a jcm800, but with way more options tonally? I know I guess the clean is plexi based and from my understanding the other two channels are more or less hot rodded JCM's. Part of me wonders about getting a JCM/clone and getting the Friedman OD delux pedal and calling it a day, but I don't know. If the BE can do a JCM i'd almost feel like a fool to get a JCM over it (as the Ceriatone BE clone is < $1800 IE the cost of a JCM800).
Smash said:
I love the jubilee, but i dont think it is what he is describing
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I was starting to get curious about a Jubilee as i've heard great and bad about them for what thats worth, but the bad was more so that they are kind of a one trick pony.
 
nightlight said:
Yeah, it's a bit much to look at, with four channels, three modes per channel and independent EQ and gain for each channel.

But if you want a JCM-ish tone, it's there. If you want a plexi-ish tone, it's there. If you want a Silver Jubilee-ish or a JCM2000 or a JCM900 tone, it's there.

I'm pretty much a set and forget musician. I mean, I like to dabble when I'm at home, but once I've dialled in something I like, I might keep it on that setting for weeks without tweaking.

That said, you seem to really like the Deliverance, and I can recommend the VHT route. I've only tried the Deliverance model on my Axe FX, but I own an Sig:X and it's a great amp. Here's a video.




The Deliverance is even more dry, I believe, so that makes playing it really difficult, so keep that in mind.





I think that might partially be my fault, or rather the fault of my living situation. Can't really hike the volume all that much in my house. But when you do, the amp really opens up.
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The Sig:X seems a little subdued in the mid character, but perhaps it's how you have the EQ. I would agree from sound samples the Deliverance seems much drier and more my thing, but i'm someone who will crank the mids on most amps. My Mesa Mark V was very unforgiving as well, but after playing it for 7 years it made me x10 the guitar player, so now something really saturated like an EVH gives me zero pleasure to play, almost like it is too easy and one dimensional. Great for hard stuff(death,black metal and all that), but again I had my fill of that and would rather do the whole stoner/post thing nowadays. I must say I remember seeing the band Jungle Rot and thought they're tone was amazing. They were using dual recs. I talked to them afterwards and they told me they use a reverse smiley face. So they were cranking their mids and scooping out the other frequencies. I had never heard that with deathmetal at the time, but to this day that would be how I would go about it. Unlike Cannibal Corpse I could actually tell what notes they are playing (I know that's not always the point, but that's what I enjoy).
 
Zmo87 said:
That's what I was wondering. The option to change the gain structure really intrigued me. So do you feel like the BE can capture a jcm800, but with way more options tonally? I know I guess the clean is plexi based and from my understanding the other two channels are more or less hot rodded JCM's. Part of me wonders about getting a JCM/clone and getting the Friedman OD delux pedal and calling it a day, but I don't know. If the BE can do a JCM i'd almost feel like a fool to get a JCM over it (as the Ceriatone BE clone is < $1800 IE the cost of a JCM800).

I was starting to get curious about a Jubilee as i've heard great and bad about them for what thats worth, but the bad was more so that they are kind of a one trick pony.
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Don't know, never got into 800s. Dave recently said a C45 switch gets you closer to the JCM thing on Punish Dave #30 from last week. It's closer to JCM with the C45 on. Ironically, I run mine with the C45 off 90% of the time.

You could get the IRX and run that into what amp you end up with as well, used they are going for a very fair price from time to time.
 
Zmo87 said:
The Sig:X seems a little subdued in the mid character, but perhaps it's how you have the EQ. I would agree from sound samples the Deliverance seems much drier and more my thing, but i'm someone who will crank the mids on most amps. My Mesa Mark V was very unforgiving as well, but after playing it for 7 years it made me x10 the guitar player, so now something really saturated like an EVH gives me zero pleasure to play, almost like it is too easy and one dimensional. Great for hard stuff(death,black metal and all that), but again I had my fill of that and would rather do the whole stoner/post thing nowadays. I must say I remember seeing the band Jungle Rot and thought they're tone was amazing. They were using dual recs. I talked to them afterwards and they told me they use a reverse smiley face. So they were cranking their mids and scooping out the other frequencies. I had never heard that with deathmetal at the time, but to this day that would be how I would go about it. Unlike Cannibal Corpse I could actually tell what notes they are playing (I know that's not always the point, but that's what I enjoy).
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Probably the way I dialled it in. Plus, there’s no boost, and I’m guessing you aim to have one in front of the amp.

When you say dry and mids, the Deliverance doesn’t come to mind though. A Marshall would be what I would get for that application. The JCM800 is a classic for a reason.
 
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