Van halen 1 choke wasn't a c1999 choke

[harddriver]

Here's the same guy NOT Slaving the Super Bass to a load box. In his video descriptions he keeps describing the Super Bass/Superlead so it may be the super bass has been converted to a split cathode Super lead spec but that's neither here nor there but he clearly states no mods so according to him it's a stock Super Bass circuit.. You remove the Reverb/delay from his slaving video and this amp sounds very similar to the Sunset sounds unmastered clip and all the live clips. Go read the comments section if you want more information. He also says this is at TV volume.

From his YT comments section
Marshall from 1971 cranked and pushed with an eq pedal.Tv volume...hot plate set to -16 db and right knob at 9. Using a Boss GE10 to slightly push the mids. Thanks mate !!!!, it is a super bass .... They were , Celestion g12 M from 1977 ,

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Is the delay I hear, post recording then? Muy bueno!

No it isn´t is the eventide Timefactor delay pedal , is directly to the amp ...thanks mate !

 

[thegame]

Here's the same guy NOT Slaving the Super Bass to a load box. In his video descriptions he keeps describing the Super Bass/Superlead so it may be the super bass has been converted to a split cathode Super lead spec but that's neither here nor there but he clearly states no mods so according to him it's a stock Super Bass circuit.. You remove the Reverb/delay from his slaving video and this amp sounds very similar to the Sunset sounds unmastered clip and all the live clips. Go read the comments section if you want more information. He also says this is at TV volume.

From his YT comments section
Marshall from 1971 cranked and pushed with an eq pedal.Tv volume...hot plate set to -16 db and right knob at 9. Using a Boss GE10 to slightly push the mids. Thanks mate !!!!, it is a super bass .... They were , Celestion g12 M from 1977 ,

​

Is the delay I hear, post recording then? Muy bueno!

No it isn´t is the eventide Timefactor delay pedal , is directly to the amp ...thanks mate !

That sounds closer to VH1 than EVH’s actual VH2 tone!

 

[Rdodson]

You can listen to Ed's unproduced, scratch-mixed outtakes. They are all over YT, leaked out of Sunset. His amp is very good, it is a very good tone. But the "fairy dust" was in Donn's "mix it like a vocal" technique that Templeman demanded. You put a lot of mids to tape, insuring the dynamics and punch and harmonic complexity is there, then you Pultec it to remove the sub-mud, subdue the mids, and remove the hiss...and THEN you lightly compress THAT. Then, that goes into the real chamber for added jape and complexity as the reflections bounce around. This is how those magical vocals from the 70s got produced. Ed's guitar is the "vocal" of the band, especially in that first record.

 

[harddriver]

You can listen to Ed's unproduced, scratch-mixed outtakes. They are all over YT, leaked out of Sunset. His amp is very good, it is a very good tone. But the "fairy dust" was in Donn's "mix it like a vocal" technique that Templeman demanded. You put a lot of mids to tape, insuring the dynamics and punch and harmonic complexity is there, then you Pultec it to remove the sub-mud, subdue the mids, and remove the hiss...and THEN you lightly compress THAT. Then, that goes into the real chamber for added jape and complexity as the reflections bounce around. This is how those magical vocals from the 70s got produced. Ed's guitar is the "vocal" of the band, especially in that first record.

I had forgotten that term until you mentioned it.........I remember Ed talking about JAPE in an 80's interview from some guitar magazine................

Now you've gone and done it...........Ampchaser will be trying to locate a JAPE modded amp.

I appreciate his convictions about the subject but sometimes using your ears is the best tool......if it sounds like a plexi in the unmastered outtake tape clips and live shows, it's probably a plexi.

 

[harddriver]

That sounds closer to VH1 than EVH’s actual VH2 tone!

I think the point has been well made through the collaborative efforts of all the RT members contributing videos and clips and discussion in this thread that shows alot of Marshall amps can get the gain and the tone even without Ed's exact signal chain and perfect chops the tones are still there, now you add all of his known effects chain and great Ed chops...there you be.................

That's not to say Ed didn't try some modified amps through the years, hell it's been said he had designed an amp with Jose but it never got off the ground for what ever reason.

 

[jabps]

I think the point has been well made through the collaborative efforts of all the RT members contributing videos and clips and discussion in this thread that shows alot of Marshall amps can get the gain and the tone even without Ed's exact signal chain and perfect chops the tones are still there, now you add all of his known effects chain and great Ed chops...there you be.................

To me there you go...lots of vids in this thread where the tones are as close as you are going to get so why the need for the deep dive other than a person might enjoy doing that. I just think with the sheer number of times guys have been able to get 95% close to those tones with unmodified amps the rest of it boils down to Ed, his guitars, his pickups, his strings etc... I mean two videos alone here, one from Jim and the guy playing the Les Paul, I mean that is the tone, the rest is down to Ed and all the nuances of the rest of the path.

 

[Amp_chaser]

It's pretty obvious that Jose did repairs and maintenance on evhs amps.



They just weren't modded for a cascaded gain stage in vh1

You know another thing that i just learnt and supports the idea that ed's amp was modded by josé too ?

Many people say that the SV20h sounds very van halesque. Did you know that the SV20h uses DC heaters for the preamp section and that no stock marshall uses them ? This move was probably made intentionnally by marshall. Why is that important because those who popularised DC heaters were josé arredondo and jackson lee, they used them on their high gain modded amps to reduce noise. But if you go for DC heaters on a stock regular marshall the tone and the feeling are completely changed. The tone gets a little bit hotter and dirtier.
José used to add small transformers inside guitar amps for this purpose :

when you use AC heaters you usually use 6.3v on pin 4-5 and 9 of the tube with DC heaters you use 12 on pin 4 and 5 only.

 

[311splawndude]

This thread is lit

 

[Lightning]

The right pickup plays a part also, Just tried the Seymour Duncan 59 it’s a nice pickup but I went back to the Ibanez super 70 clone pickup(alnico 8 magnet) that was made for me by Kolev Custom pickups I total believe after trying many pickups the Ibanez super 70 pickup, was the pickup that Edward used in his Ibanez destroyer(stock pickup) to record Van Halen 1.

 

[Amp_chaser]

Yes to all this.

Just some guy having fun on YT....

1971 Super Bass ran into a Marshall powerbrake as a load then slaved to a Marshall Valvestate Power amp, it is a cheap samick blues saraceno guitar tv twenty, a Marshall 1971 super bass with a powerbrake connected in one output as a load and a 5k line box in the other connecting the line signal to a valvestate power amp .it also has a little delay effect with a Eventide timefactor pedal....

My last answer to you is if it was as easy as to get a stock sl68 with a variac

why did people in LA struggle a lot to get the same sound ?

I mean George Lynch tried, Randy tried, many guys in La tried.

What they ended up doing is going to guitar modders to mod their amps why ?

There are even books about tone talking about van halen's tone from the 80's saying they don't really know what's going on.

those guys went to the live shows to investigate even george lynch said in an interview that a lot of guitarists came to the show to try to understand how eddie got his tone.

George tried a 68 plexi with variac and he wasn't able to get the live sound that eddie got and many guitarists tried and failed.

So tell me do you all guys consider yourselves more knowledgable in tone than the LA legends from the late 70's early 80's ?

If they said that the tone was out of this world and that they weren't able to copy it believe me that they tried everything.

George Lynch :

" After their show, I went back to our band room and played my guitar until the sun came up. I thought, Man! How can I get that tone? [Yes! Tone, not speed!] "

we are talking about guitarists who knew better about plexis than us. Moreover they had access to those amps but to the best speakers too and they werent able to reproduce that tone they heard live.

 

[SmashingAtom]

Here's the same guy NOT Slaving the Super Bass to a load box. In his video descriptions he keeps describing the Super Bass/Superlead so it may be the super bass has been converted to a split cathode Super lead spec but that's neither here nor there but he clearly states no mods so according to him it's a stock Super Bass circuit.. You remove the Reverb/delay from his slaving video and this amp sounds very similar to the Sunset sounds unmastered clip and all the live clips. Go read the comments section if you want more information. He also says this is at TV volume.

From his YT comments section
Marshall from 1971 cranked and pushed with an eq pedal.Tv volume...hot plate set to -16 db and right knob at 9. Using a Boss GE10 to slightly push the mids. Thanks mate !!!!, it is a super bass .... They were , Celestion g12 M from 1977 ,

​

Is the delay I hear, post recording then? Muy bueno!

No it isn´t is the eventide Timefactor delay pedal , is directly to the amp ...thanks mate !

That Gentleman is the Great Jose' Calvo Monturiol who is a documentary filmaker and a Looooong time Led Zeppelin Lead Guitar Player Cover Great for decades. He's been through a few plexi's to find the good stuff ;-) Very cool dude.

Another JCM home page : https://www.youtube.com/@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories

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A few observations. . .

Donn Landee stated in print " Ed was not loud at all, the quietest Marshall he has ever heard "

The Jamies Crying Room mic studio track above seems to present this argument. Ed and Al sound balanced out in the room.

Landee says one amp one cab, however in your studio pic above their are two cabs. One in front of AL and the one Mike is looking at facing AL.

Soldano had Ed's amp in early 87, on Valentines day Ed took home Two SLO-100's per Mike Soldano.

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In regard to the Marshall SV series . . . You mean like this guy ? ;-)

 

[Rdodson]

My last answer to you is if it was as easy as to get a stock sl68 with a variac

why did people in LA struggle a lot to get the same sound ?

I mean George Lynch tried, Randy tried, many guys in La tried.

What they ended up doing is going to guitar modders to mod their amps why ?

There are even books about tone talking about van halen's tone from the 80's saying they don't really know what's going on.

those guys went to the live shows to investigate even george lynch said in an interview that a lot of guitarists came to the show to try to understand how eddie got his tone.

George tried a 68 plexi with variac and he wasn't able to get the live sound that eddie got and many guitarists tried and failed.

So tell me do you all guys consider yourselves more knowledgable in tone than the LA legends from the late 70's early 80's ?

If they said that the tone was out of this world and that they weren't able to copy it believe me that they tried everything.

George Lynch :

" After their show, I went back to our band room and played my guitar until the sun came up. I thought, Man! How can I get that tone? [Yes! Tone, not speed!] "

we are talking about guitarists who knew better about plexis than us. Moreover they had access to those amps but to the best speakers too and they werent able to reproduce that tone they heard live.

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‘Cause they didn’t have Donn.

 

[Techdeth]

I agree with Purity that there isn't much that's special about the actual TONE of the EVH records - it's certainly a great tone, no doubt

But Michael/Rudy Schenker, Uli, Wolf Hoffman, plenty of people were doing fantastic cranked plexi tones that are absolutely on the level of eddie

I think people are confusing "liking EVH's playing" with "the brown sound/shidd pant toan"

I think it’s just vh1 . It’s the only Van Halen album that was squishy and fat unlike anything before . All the next 5 Dave albums don’t have that sqishy over saturated tone VH1 had . Even Eddie has said that the second album was more of his tone . Tighter
Idk that’s my 2 cents worth . Ed’s time was not like that first album ever again . And it’s not hard to get . He was just the first

 

[Techdeth]

I wanna know what mods Ed had done for Happy Trails

Ed’s gain is too smooth and creamy in that one . And Ed’s guitar solo on big bad bill sounds like a clarinet

 

[Amp_chaser]

‘Cause they didn’t have Donn.

I mean what Donn has to do with the live tone before they even put a foot inside a studio ? Lynch was talking about the live club tone not the one of the records.

 

[DanTravis62]

EVH has said multiple times that he was just saying Jose modded them to throw Jose a bone for doing his tech work.

Lynch was obsessed with eddies playing, and rhoads didn't like either EVHs playing OR his tone.

 

[DanTravis62]

Basically, @Amp_chaser

EVH made up a bunch of stupid bullshit and did a bunch of misdirection to keep people from copying his sound any more than people in the neon gay buttrock scene were copying his playing

And you're buying all of the misdirection and bullshit he made up (AND ADMITTED HE MADE UP) as "facts and evidence"

 

[jabps]

My last answer to you is if it was as easy as to get a stock sl68 with a variac

why did people in LA struggle a lot to get the same sound ?

I mean George Lynch tried, Randy tried, many guys in La tried.

What they ended up doing is going to guitar modders to mod their amps why ?

There are even books about tone talking about van halen's tone from the 80's saying they don't really know what's going on.

those guys went to the live shows to investigate even george lynch said in an interview that a lot of guitarists came to the show to try to understand how eddie got his tone.

George tried a 68 plexi with variac and he wasn't able to get the live sound that eddie got and many guitarists tried and failed.

So tell me do you all guys consider yourselves more knowledgable in tone than the LA legends from the late 70's early 80's ?

If they said that the tone was out of this world and that they weren't able to copy it believe me that they tried everything.

George Lynch :

" After their show, I went back to our band room and played my guitar until the sun came up. I thought, Man! How can I get that tone? [Yes! Tone, not speed!] "

we are talking about guitarists who knew better about plexis than us. Moreover they had access to those amps but to the best speakers too and they werent able to reproduce that tone they heard live.

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Look Lynch was easily my favorite player from the 80's but this guy can't even speak clearly on exactly what was used on ULAK. Flat stated on a Tone Talk he never worked with Lee Jackson. I'm also a massive Rhoads fan I've never heard him say much of anything about Ed's tone, granted I could have missed it. Further as much as I loved RR it's not like his tone is held in high regard.

The whole aura around Ed was created by them from hiding what he was doing in the beginning with tapping and it obviously filtered right down to his amp. It was part of the mystique of creating Ed's image. As @DanTravis62 said, misdirection to keep Ed unique. And why not, you're the hottest young guitarist since Hendrix, the established players are blowing you off because they are jealous, - all of which Ed had a hard time dealing with.

Cleary though it has been shown in this thread with video's, youtubers don't seem to have issue re-creating Ed's tone with stock stuff.

Why is it relatively easy for guys like Jim to recreate that tone but none of the LA guys could. I mean you're questioning the knowledge of those on this board about pro players yet average guys on youtube are nailing VH tones with ease.

So why is that?

 

[DanTravis62]

Look Lynch was easily my favorite player from the 80's but this guy can't even speak clearly on exactly what was used on ULAK. Flat stated on a Tone Talk he never worked with Lee Jackson. I'm also a massive Rhoads fan I've never heard him say much of anything about Ed's tone, granted I could have missed it. Further as much as I loved RR it's not like his tone is held in high regard.

I thought it was common knowledge that if anything RR thought of ed as a rival

Its news to me if (apparently) RR was trying to copy the SHIDD PANT toan

And I'm not a dokken fan at all, but it's common knowledge among their fans that you basically have to disregard anything George says about the time period because he's full of crap and was high off his ass on blow, but it wouldn't surprise me either way if he was trying to cop eds tone

It's irrelevant either way though, because at the time the wider public wasnt knowledgeable about how recording and sounds worked with guitar tones; it was just those "in the know" in the industry

 

[Amp_chaser]

Look Lynch was easily my favorite player from the 80's but this guy can't even speak clearly on exactly what was used on ULAK. Flat stated on a Tone Talk he never worked with Lee Jackson. I'm also a massive Rhoads fan I've never heard him say much of anything about Ed's tone, granted I could have missed it. Further as much as I loved RR it's not like his tone is held in high regard.

The whole aura around Ed was created by them from hiding what he was doing in the beginning with tapping and it obviously filtered right down to his amp. It was part of the mystique of creating Ed's image. As @DanTravis62 said, misdirection to keep Ed unique. And why not, you're the hottest young guitarist since Hendrix, the established players are blowing you off because they are jealous, - all of which Ed had a hard time dealing with.

Cleary though it has been shown in this thread with video's, youtubers don't seem to have issue re-creating Ed's tone with stock stuff.

Why is it relatively easy for guys like Jim to recreate that tone but none of the LA guys could. I mean you're questioning the knowledge of those on this board about pro players yet average guys on youtube are nailing VH tones with ease.

So why is that?

For vh1 find me someone who nails the rwtd tone or the feel your love tonight tone :

I mean yeah after vh2 I can think that the rest is probably a stock sl68. But for vh1 no way.

Listen to this 1977 rwtd min21:51 it sustains without vibrato and it sounds almost like in the records :



I’m sry no plexi gets this amount of gain the one you listen at 21:51 it’s not possible. This is without the emt reverb and the echo units only.