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Don't mistake definition for size. Those guitar guys are coked out skinny rails. If the majority of fat on our bodies was removed we would all look similar. Nothing about Warren or Nuno says bodybuilding.
 
WhiteShadow said:
The low body fat maybe, but anyone who's ever lifted before can look at their bodies and tell you don't get defined delts, biceps, or shoulders like that without lifting. They worked out.
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THAT is 10000% not true.

MANY years ago, I competed and had a lot of friends competing at the national level for pro cards in the NPC + the various bullshit drug free circuits. Some actually got their pro cards).

I'm no stranger to bodybuilding/weightlifting and how it works.

Altho after 2 heart attacks and worn out joints, I don't even like typing the word gym anymore.
 
Mikeyboyeee said:
THAT is 10000% not true.
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You can look at Demartini in that picture especially and see that his muscles are clearly swole. His delts especially are not just defined because of low body fat. They are swole and protruding. Cocaine might have very well been a huge contributing factor, but they still did some lifting. I know for a fact this is true of Nuno. I highly doubt either of these guys did the amount of drugs as many of their contemporaries or counterparts. Both of them clearly only got better as their careers went along and did not have big drug-related issues or breakdowns. You can't compose those solos either of them did if you're coked out all the time. I've never been strung out on coke. Never even touched it before, but I know people who have, and it does not sound conducive to what I see from these two guys. That's not to say they never did it. They almost certainly did, but I don't think they owe their physiques to it.

EDIT: I know the look of a swollen muscle, and Demartini has it in that photo. His look freshly pumped in that photo. Which might have been the extent of his "working out" (i.e. getting pumped up before shows so he could look like that). I've seen rockstars do this. You can see Metallica doing it before their show backstage on the Cunning Stunts DVD.
 
WhiteShadow said:
You can look at Demartini in that picture especially and see that his muscles are clearly swole. His delts especially are not just defined because of low body fat. They are swole and protruding. Cocaine might have very well been a huge contributing factor, but they still did some lifting. I know for a fact this is true of Nuno. I highly doubt either of these guys did the amount of drugs as many of their contemporaries or counterparts. Both of them clearly only got better as their careers went along and did not have big drug-related issues or breakdowns. You can't compose those solos either of them did if you're coked out all the time. I've never been strung out on coke. Never even touched it before, but I know people who have, and it does not sound conducive to what I see from these two guys. That's not to say they never did it. They almost certainly did, but I don't think they owe their physiques to it.

EDIT: I know the look of a swollen muscle, and Demartini has it in that photo. His look freshly pumped in that photo. Which might have been the extent of his "working out" (i.e. getting pumped up before shows so he could look like that). I've seen rockstars do this. You can see Metallica doing it before their show backstage on the Cunning Stunts DVD.
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Sounds more like swollen cock.

Neither of them look like they spent more than 45mn in a gym in their life.
 
Mikeyboyeee said:
Sounds more like swollen cock.

Neither of them look like they spent more than 45mn in a gym in their life.
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Well I mean, neither one of us actually knows how much drugs either of them did or didn't do, or how many weights they did or didn't lift. I'd say it was a little of both. I'm not trying to claim that they were "body builders". I just know that that's exactly how my delts look after rear delt cable flys
 
I saw DT live in mid 2019.

Petrucci shredded brilliantly and flawlessly all night and had great feel too. There wasn't a thing wrong with his playing.

Maybe his playing was different when he was younger and he's simply changed a bit with some age but there was certainly nothing to be desired from his playing when I saw him. He was every bit as much of a virtuoso as he's always been.
 
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WhiteShadow said:
Well I mean, neither one of us actually knows how much drugs either of them did or didn't do, or how many weights they did or didn't lift. I'd say it was a little of both. I'm not trying to claim that they were "body builders". I just know that that's exactly how my delts look after rear delt cable flys
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I know they didn't lift weights to look like that.
 
WhiteShadow said:
You can look at Demartini in that picture especially and see that his muscles are clearly swole. His delts especially are not just defined because of low body fat. They are swole and protruding. Cocaine might have very well been a huge contributing factor, but they still did some lifting. I know for a fact this is true of Nuno. I highly doubt either of these guys did the amount of drugs as many of their contemporaries or counterparts. Both of them clearly only got better as their careers went along and did not have big drug-related issues or breakdowns. You can't compose those solos either of them did if you're coked out all the time. I've never been strung out on coke. Never even touched it before, but I know people who have, and it does not sound conducive to what I see from these two guys. That's not to say they never did it. They almost certainly did, but I don't think they owe their physiques to it.

EDIT: I know the look of a swollen muscle, and Demartini has it in that photo. His look freshly pumped in that photo. Which might have been the extent of his "working out" (i.e. getting pumped up before shows so he could look like that). I've seen rockstars do this. You can see Metallica doing it before their show backstage on the Cunning Stunts DVD.
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Not accurate IMO. Not swollen at all, in fact very thin, both of them, just like Ed. Muscles that are defined always look bigger than they actually are. Martini isn't a body builder nor is Nuno. Swollen? Not hardly, skinny with some muscle is about it. Obviously good metabolism or just gifted kind of like the playing. Pumping your muscles up definitely restricts the movement. Ever seen a buff golfer? Phil Collins Obviously works out. I doubt he lifts heavy. Maybe Ron Jeremy's cock. I think there are intense workouts anyone can do that won't slow your playing down but if it's getting pumped up. It will.
 
The key to the Nuno and warren physique is lifting 100watt heads and 4x12’s. Followed by cocaine for its thermogenic effects, followed by fasted cardio with a lady friend after the show. Zakk put on more muscle for no other reason than the additional weight of ev speakers and no women go to ozzy shows. Pure science.
 
I don’t recall nuno or demartini going into rehab or having drug issues, nor having moments of struggle or major decline in their health or playing throughout their careers. Cocaine is a highly addictive drug which often leads to more serious forms of addiction and ODs. I think it’s a bit erroneous to say they did lots of coke. Not saying they never dabbled in these drugs, but I just don’t see the evidence that they were heavy into drugs to the point where they owe their physiques to it. Just doesn’t match their career and accomplishments.
 
SKU said:
My point is he didn't look like a guy who just works out. He used to be huge.
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He completely looks like a dude that just works out. There is nothing about him that makes him anything close to a “bodybuilder”. He is nowhere near in shape for that, even by off season standards, nor is his symmetry ( which is what the entire sport is about by the way) good at all to be a bodybuilder. I think if you live up north, or an area that doesn’t get much Sun/people aren’t outside a lot then yea sure, he may look different than people in your area. But down here in Florida? He’s nothing at all special and quite the norm as far as fitness culture is concerned.
 
VESmedic gets it. Bodybuilding is a specific sport. The process of ‘building the body’ is simply working out. It’s a dumb thing to get hung up on but it’s a pet peeve of mine since that world closely relates to my own hobbies. JP was working out and big for awhile, I don’t think that has anything to do with his playing though. I think he’s simply aged and maybe got complacent, he’s not exactly pushing the envelope anymore.
 
SKU said:
I know that when I used to go hard in the gym, it would take several days before the fingers worked perfectly.
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What the hell were you training? Finger tips, knuckles and earlobes?
 
To say that lifting extreme amounts of weight, for the sole purpose of bulking up wouldn’t create soreness, fatigue, and potential damage to the muscles and tendons in your hands, thus hindering ones guitar playing, is absolutely ridiculous. I experience that merely from working in construction, much less power lifting.
 
Sounds like we got some fuckin pencil necks in here.

Warren D lifting weights and looking SWOLE.
GTFOH!
 
SKU said:
That sounds elitist.
Does it mean that you can’t say you’re a guitarist unless your playing is at a specific level?
People can be into bodybuilding as a hobby or as a career and he didn’t look like he just ‘went to the gym’.
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To be considered a bodybuilder you have to compete in bodybuilding competitions. You can do so as a hobby, in one of the hundreds of amateur shows held every year, or you can acquire a pro card & try to make a career out of it. Either way, it's pretty accurate to say that being active in competition is a requirement to being a bodybuilder, instead of just a guy who lifts.

That might seem like splitting hairs to someone who isn't familiar with that community, but it's a pretty substantial distinction.
 
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