4 cable method.

[thiswaythatway]

Is anyone running the 4 cable method with an amp and a processor like the Axe-Fx, G System, 11Rack, or a PODHD500? I tried the POD with a few amps and it never worked out, lot's of hum and hiss. I also had issues with an Axe-Fx standard and a Cali mod. I always look up threads where people have issues and the last reply is usually something like, " I'll see how this last ditch effort works and report back". And they neve usually post again. Seems like a lot of people have issues with a variety of setups.

I did see that the Axe-2 may have addressed this issues but I'm not hoping on that train. So, anyone having any luck? What are you using and what was your solution?

 

[Gainfreak]

Is anyone running the 4 cable method with an amp and a processor like the Axe-Fx, G System, 11Rack, or a PODHD500? I tried the POD with a few amps and it never worked out, lot's of hum and hiss. I also had issues with an Axe-Fx standard and a Cali mod. I always look up threads where people have issues and the last reply is usually something like, " I'll see how this last ditch effort works and report back". And they neve usually post again. Seems like a lot of people have issues with a variety of setups.

I did the Axe-2 may have addressed this issues but I'm not hoping on that train. So, anyone having any luck? What are you using and what was your solution?

I'm using a Digitech RP1000 and a 50 watt Marshall 2205 with the 4 cable method without any problems. What I did learn though is not to plug the amp head and the Processor into the same outlet. I found that when I plugged the amp and processor in the same outlet I got a ground loop (same thing happens when using pedals IMHO)

 

[thenine]

yep, have used several heads with GT-3, GT-5, M13, and pedals. Get a Decimator. Voodoo labs PP2 if using pedals. Clean power is a must.

 

[Anonymous]

Is anyone running the 4 cable method with an amp and a processor like the Axe-Fx, G System, 11Rack, or a PODHD500? I tried the POD with a few amps and it never worked out, lot's of hum and hiss. I also had issues with an Axe-Fx standard and a Cali mod. I always look up threads where people have issues and the last reply is usually something like, " I'll see how this last ditch effort works and report back". And they neve usually post again. Seems like a lot of people have issues with a variety of setups.

I did the Axe-2 may have addressed this issues but I'm not hoping on that train. So, anyone having any luck? What are you using and what was your solution?

I tried everything to make 4 cable work method with an amp and the AxeFX Ultra and it always sucked balls. Noisy, hum-filled mess...

Steve

 

[ripper117]

This is a must. It works very well
http://www.ebtechaudio.com/humxdes.html

Without it, the hum is just overwhelming

I plug my amp into this then into a seperate outlet and the axe fx into a furman.

This took care of my noie issues with using the axe fx with the 4cm. The problem I had after that is having to re-adjust my input and output levels according to amp volume.

In the end I got it sounding great.

But the Axe FX does such a killer job with models that I found it much easier to just plug the axe fx into the effects return, leaving power amp sims on, cab sims off, and it just sounded great and more versatile then doing just the 4 cable method.

 

[Greazygeo]

I'm running an RP1000 4 cable with my Wizard. Working just fine.

 

[thiswaythatway]

I'm running an RP1000 4 cable with my Wizard. Working just fine.

How are you guys liking the quality of the effects on the RP1000? Does it let you use delay before or after the preamp of your amp?

 

[mboogman]

A note about the rp1000. No MIDI. I use the lexicon MPXG2. Put it up against the RP1000, and the GSP1101. The lexicon is much more neutral. The effects have a fatness to them that's missing with the digitech pieces.

 

[Gainfreak]

I'm running an RP1000 4 cable with my Wizard. Working just fine.

 

[Gainfreak]

I'm running an RP1000 4 cable with my Wizard. Working just fine.

How are you guys liking the quality of the effects on the RP1000? Does it let you use delay before or after the preamp of your amp?

I like them a lot and they can be had for a steal these days.

Yes, you can have pre or post effects. The RP allows you to route effects through the front of the amp or through the loop and you can switch between using your amp or the digital modeling and just about everything else. I have not experimented with other boxes that do the 4cm and I'm sure there might be better boxes out there now, but for what I want to do, the RP1000 works fine

 

[glassjaw7]

There was a G-system thread recently discussing the 4CM. Can't remember who, but someone was running it with a Mark with no issues.

 

[ejecta]

Is anyone running the 4 cable method with an amp and a processor like the Axe-Fx, G System, 11Rack, or a PODHD500? I tried the POD with a few amps and it never worked out, lot's of hum and hiss. I also had issues with an Axe-Fx standard and a Cali mod. I always look up threads where people have issues and the last reply is usually something like, " I'll see how this last ditch effort works and report back". And they neve usually post again. Seems like a lot of people have issues with a variety of setups.

I did the Axe-2 may have addressed this issues but I'm not hoping on that train. So, anyone having any luck? What are you using and what was your solution?

I tried everything to make 4 cable work method with an amp and the AxeFX Ultra and it always sucked balls. Noisy, hum-filled mess...

Steve

I found you have to put one of these right after the send on the AxeFX and it does the trick for me on killing any hum with my Bogner Goldfinger. It won't work anywhere else in the chain.

 

[Greazygeo]

I'm running an RP1000 4 cable with my Wizard. Working just fine.

How are you guys liking the quality of the effects on the RP1000? Does it let you use delay before or after the preamp of your amp?

I think they are really good. I use the plate reverb alot. The pedal models are dead on....as far as the CE-2, SD-1 OD 1 etc....some things you have to hook up to the computer to edit and save. I think on most of the effects you can select pre/ post. I'll check it out when I get in the studio later.

I hem haw-ed around on going this route for a long time. Thinking i had to look at a much more expensive unit to get something worthwile....I've used it with a band and worked great. Setting it up like a pedalboard is perfect. I've been really surprised. The only drawback I've found so far is that you can't upload IR's to it...have to go with the rack unit to do that. There are a few cab models I like though.

 

[daveg62]

I use a digitech gsp1101 with 4-cable and it works great! Use it with both my amps. Can't say the same for the axe-fx - there's something about the axe-fx that the levels don't seem to match up right. It worked but not nearly as well as the 1101. One of the main reasons why I sold the axe-fx, and I have zero regrets.
I've found the total opposite with power- both the processor and the amp need to be plugged into the same power source or I get the ground loop hum. I plug them together and it is dead quiet, works very well. No need for a hum eliminator. Maybe it depends on the unit, but the gsp1101 was my ticket!

 

[racerevlon]

BOSS GT-8 into just about any amp I own. The Vintage Modern is especially nice because i can leave it on the low dynamic range and use the BOSS stomps to boost/color. There are two keys to making this work: 1, as people have already noted, you gotta isolate your power or you'll get loops and hum from hell. 2, you have to have loop flexibility with your ground effects--the GT-8 lets you place the loop anywhere in the chain you want (as does the Line6 M13). Standard practice... wah, OD/Dist, Comp BEFOREhe loop, time-based and modulation AFTER the loop.

Happy riffing!!

 

[Ventura]

I use a digitech gsp1101 with 4-cable and it works great! Use it with both my amps. Can't say the same for the axe-fx - there's something about the axe-fx that the levels don't seem to match up right. It worked but not nearly as well as the 1101. One of the main reasons why I sold the axe-fx, and I have zero regrets.
I've found the total opposite with power- both the processor and the amp need to be plugged into the same power source or I get the ground loop hum. I plug them together and it is dead quiet, works very well. No need for a hum eliminator. Maybe it depends on the unit, but the gsp1101 was my ticket!

Ya, there were issue with my Ultra. I'm not sure if the Axe-II has remedied the problem.

Hope so.

Mo

 

[srinivassa]

You know, I like the newest floor units from Digitech. You put them straight up in front of the amp, but they actually have settings that let you remove the amp/cab models from the effects. They also have a mixer/amp level selector. Nothing I have used with a floor processor and an amp has ever sounded right before, but I am loving this. It really does just let you use the processor to drive your amp. Then, I guess you could have some presets with the modeler engaged and press the mixer switch if you were going to PA. (Haven't tried with a PA yet, or possibly ever.)

 

[alxdgr8]

Did the 4cm with my GT6 and 5150 (and Classic 50). I do my GSP1101 with my Rhodes currently with the 4cm. Took some time to set all the levels correctly, but it sounds great now.

 

[ripper117]

Is anyone running the 4 cable method with an amp and a processor like the Axe-Fx, G System, 11Rack, or a PODHD500? I tried the POD with a few amps and it never worked out, lot's of hum and hiss. I also had issues with an Axe-Fx standard and a Cali mod. I always look up threads where people have issues and the last reply is usually something like, " I'll see how this last ditch effort works and report back". And they neve usually post again. Seems like a lot of people have issues with a variety of setups.

I did the Axe-2 may have addressed this issues but I'm not hoping on that train. So, anyone having any luck? What are you using and what was your solution?

I tried everything to make 4 cable work method with an amp and the AxeFX Ultra and it always sucked balls. Noisy, hum-filled mess...

Steve

I found you have to put one of these right after the send on the AxeFX and it does the trick for me on killing any hum with my Bogner Goldfinger. It won't work anywhere else in the chain.

I had used one of those in the same place as well and at first and thought it worked wonders. But upon closer examination on clean patches I found it was effecting the tone. The cleans where losing there glassiness. The difference was not nearly as audible with the dirty tones

 

[ejecta]

Is anyone running the 4 cable method with an amp and a processor like the Axe-Fx, G System, 11Rack, or a PODHD500? I tried the POD with a few amps and it never worked out, lot's of hum and hiss. I also had issues with an Axe-Fx standard and a Cali mod. I always look up threads where people have issues and the last reply is usually something like, " I'll see how this last ditch effort works and report back". And they neve usually post again. Seems like a lot of people have issues with a variety of setups.

I did the Axe-2 may have addressed this issues but I'm not hoping on that train. So, anyone having any luck? What are you using and what was your solution?

I tried everything to make 4 cable work method with an amp and the AxeFX Ultra and it always sucked balls. Noisy, hum-filled mess...

Steve

I found you have to put one of these right after the send on the AxeFX and it does the trick for me on killing any hum with my Bogner Goldfinger. It won't work anywhere else in the chain.

I had used one of those in the same place as well and at first and thought it worked wonders. But upon closer examination on clean patches I found it was effecting the tone. The cleans where losing there glassiness. The difference was not nearly as audible with the dirty tones

When I read your post I went and did some messing around with it in and out on my cleans my clean tones on my Goldfinger are just fine with it in the chain. Were you using the Axe for cleans or your amp?