A litltle Cameron clip

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Did a quick little clip with the HG Jose tonight. Ryhthm is double tracked and panned left and right. Lead is a single track cloned, panned, and delay added on on side. I had an ass load of gain dialed in. :D

 
I like the way you use mutting-very cool. Was it pinch harmonics { hard to tell on these speakers}. The stutter effect was nice. :yes:
 
Loved the rhythm tone. However, I thought the lead tone was too bitey.
 
here's what strikes me about a tone like that...

it sounds like a lot of self-indulgent fun. for that type of sound it is fierce and honky in a good way, and clear for the amount of gain you are using, therefore probably one of the best amps for the job, along with the aiken sabre, fuchs triple, and a herbert in there as well. mark is a hip ampmaker and a shred monster so that really helps.

but when push comes to shove, i could not seriously imagine using that as *my* tone for years to come.

it's interesting how an amp like a JVM or Uberschall hits the scene and the initial response is "listen to how heavy it gets---that's the heaviest tone yet!" and the impulse is "i want the new meanest sounding thing" and then a few months later it's on to something heavier or newer once your ear listens past the novelty and starts judging the longevity and usefulness and live sound performance of the amp.

honestly, something about tones like that strike me as juvenile, which can be fun in a rekindling the youthful energy,
or downright pathetic ala 300 pound yngwie and the feeble high kick attempts, fat elvis with the judo chop, or vai mouthing out his wah wah licks,

and when lynch or schenker play live using tones like that now, in their 50s, it's sorta vegas-y, like "NO George, I am not gong to be convinced you are still the hot young gunslinger no matter how much gain and volume and posing you hit me with" or "NO Mike, you don't look all that cool anymore at age 50 something hunched over your V with your 'i gotta take a whiz' pose"


now a fender clean or srv bluesy tone amp, or voxy midrage chime machine, or fat plexi tone...something less fatiguing on the ears, seems like a better alternative, and obviously stands the test of time (probably why i love egnaters and mojaves so much),
and just hit it with the pedal of the month to take it to the trendy tone place cheaply, versus the investment and hassle of buying and selling trendy amps.

eric johnson may get a bit goofy with the bill cosby/tinkerbell backwards tiptoe stage move, but i don't think his tones will ever go out of style or seem childish

vh might be the only one who could get away with as heavy a tone as he sets, and sound like it fits indefinitely,
but imagine him playing the dimed marshall brown sound at 70????

all in all, i'd say high gain is better suited to the younger players, but the older guys actually "know" more about how to get GOOD high gain sounds. it's unfair i tell you.
 
mentoneman":7cf4b said:
here's what strikes me about a tone like that...

it sounds like a lot of self-indulgent fun. for that type of sound it is fierce and honky in a good way, and clear for the amount of gain you are using, therefore probably one of the best amps for the job, along with the aiken sabre, fuchs triple, and a herbert in there as well. mark is a hip ampmaker and a shred monster so that really helps.

but when push comes to shove, i could not seriously imagine using that as *my* tone for years to come.

it's interesting how an amp like a JVM or Uberschall hits the scene and the initial response is "listen to how heavy it gets---that's the heaviest tone yet!" and the impulse is "i want the new meanest sounding thing" and then a few months later it's on to something heavier or newer once your ear listens past the novelty and starts judging the longevity and usefulness and live sound performance of the amp.

honestly, something about tones like that strike me as juvenile, which can be fun in a rekindling the youthful energy,
or downright pathetic ala 300 pound yngwie and the feeble high kick attempts, fat elvis with the judo chop, or vai mouthing out his wah wah licks,

and when lynch or schenker play live using tones like that now, in their 50s, it's sorta vegas-y, like "NO George, I am not gong to be convinced you are still the hot young gunslinger no matter how much gain and volume and posing you hit me with" or "NO Mike, you don't look all that cool anymore at age 50 something hunched over your V with your 'i gotta take a whiz' pose"


now a fender clean or srv bluesy tone amp, or voxy midrage chime machine, or fat plexi tone...something less fatiguing on the ears, seems like a better alternative, and obviously stands the test of time (probably why i love egnaters and mojaves so much),
and just hit it with the pedal of the month to take it to the trendy tone place cheaply, versus the investment and hassle of buying and selling trendy amps.

eric johnson may get a bit goofy with the bill cosby/tinkerbell backwards tiptoe stage move, but i don't think his tones will ever go out of style or seem childish

vh might be the only one who could get away with as heavy a tone as he sets, and sound like it fits indefinitely,
but imagine him playing the dimed marshall brown sound at 70????

all in all, i'd say high gain is better suited to the younger players, but the older guys actually "know" more about how to get GOOD high gain sounds. it's unfair i tell you.
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You've officially gotten too old. :no:
 
At my age i been there in back a few times. How did this become 'What Ever Happend to Baby Jane". I belive theres a few high gain guys around here. If it becomes speed metal waltz in my head thats what i well play.I do not want to assume anything ,but I think he means well. What ever he you think i mean. :confused:
 
mentoneman":baadd said:
here's what strikes me about a tone like that...

it sounds like a lot of self-indulgent fun. for that type of sound it is fierce and honky in a good way, and clear for the amount of gain you are using, therefore probably one of the best amps for the job, along with the aiken sabre, fuchs triple, and a herbert in there as well. mark is a hip ampmaker and a shred monster so that really helps.

but when push comes to shove, i could not seriously imagine using that as *my* tone for years to come.

it's interesting how an amp like a JVM or Uberschall hits the scene and the initial response is "listen to how heavy it gets---that's the heaviest tone yet!" and the impulse is "i want the new meanest sounding thing" and then a few months later it's on to something heavier or newer once your ear listens past the novelty and starts judging the longevity and usefulness and live sound performance of the amp.

honestly, something about tones like that strike me as juvenile, which can be fun in a rekindling the youthful energy,
or downright pathetic ala 300 pound yngwie and the feeble high kick attempts, fat elvis with the judo chop, or vai mouthing out his wah wah licks,

and when lynch or schenker play live using tones like that now, in their 50s, it's sorta vegas-y, like "NO George, I am not gong to be convinced you are still the hot young gunslinger no matter how much gain and volume and posing you hit me with" or "NO Mike, you don't look all that cool anymore at age 50 something hunched over your V with your 'i gotta take a whiz' pose"


now a fender clean or srv bluesy tone amp, or voxy midrage chime machine, or fat plexi tone...something less fatiguing on the ears, seems like a better alternative, and obviously stands the test of time (probably why i love egnaters and mojaves so much),
and just hit it with the pedal of the month to take it to the trendy tone place cheaply, versus the investment and hassle of buying and selling trendy amps.

eric johnson may get a bit goofy with the bill cosby/tinkerbell backwards tiptoe stage move, but i don't think his tones will ever go out of style or seem childish

vh might be the only one who could get away with as heavy a tone as he sets, and sound like it fits indefinitely,
but imagine him playing the dimed marshall brown sound at 70????

all in all, i'd say high gain is better suited to the younger players, but the older guys actually "know" more about how to get GOOD high gain sounds. it's unfair i tell you.
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I think I'm too tired right now to comprehend all of this right now. As far as this amp though, you can get perfect cleans all the way up to the tones in the clip. I never play the amp setup this way normally. I was messing around with it tonight and hit record. I've acually been liking a lot less gain lately.
 
J.B.":8a0b3 said:
Did a quick little clip with the HG Jose tonight. Ryhthm is double tracked and panned left and right. Lead is a single track cloned, panned, and delay added on on side. I had an ass load of gain dialed in. :D

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That's your best Cameron clip yet! I dig it! :rock:

Mentoneman is having a midlife crisis, perhaps. I understand where he is coming from, but you're never too old to rock if you really mean it. And that's the key...really meaning what you play.
 
mentoneman":c0b3d said:
here's what strikes me about a tone like that...

it sounds like a lot of self-indulgent fun. for that type of sound it is fierce and honky in a good way, and clear for the amount of gain you are using, therefore probably one of the best amps for the job, along with the aiken sabre, fuchs triple, and a herbert in there as well. mark is a hip ampmaker and a shred monster so that really helps.

but when push comes to shove, i could not seriously imagine using that as *my* tone for years to come.

it's interesting how an amp like a JVM or Uberschall hits the scene and the initial response is "listen to how heavy it gets---that's the heaviest tone yet!" and the impulse is "i want the new meanest sounding thing" and then a few months later it's on to something heavier or newer once your ear listens past the novelty and starts judging the longevity and usefulness and live sound performance of the amp.

honestly, something about tones like that strike me as juvenile, which can be fun in a rekindling the youthful energy,
or downright pathetic ala 300 pound yngwie and the feeble high kick attempts, fat elvis with the judo chop, or vai mouthing out his wah wah licks,

and when lynch or schenker play live using tones like that now, in their 50s, it's sorta vegas-y, like "NO George, I am not gong to be convinced you are still the hot young gunslinger no matter how much gain and volume and posing you hit me with" or "NO Mike, you don't look all that cool anymore at age 50 something hunched over your V with your 'i gotta take a whiz' pose"


now a fender clean or srv bluesy tone amp, or voxy midrage chime machine, or fat plexi tone...something less fatiguing on the ears, seems like a better alternative, and obviously stands the test of time (probably why i love egnaters and mojaves so much),
and just hit it with the pedal of the month to take it to the trendy tone place cheaply, versus the investment and hassle of buying and selling trendy amps.

eric johnson may get a bit goofy with the bill cosby/tinkerbell backwards tiptoe stage move, but i don't think his tones will ever go out of style or seem childish

vh might be the only one who could get away with as heavy a tone as he sets, and sound like it fits indefinitely,
but imagine him playing the dimed marshall brown sound at 70????

all in all, i'd say high gain is better suited to the younger players, but the older guys actually "know" more about how to get GOOD high gain sounds. it's unfair i tell you.
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You sound like me....and I don't know if that's good. :lol: :LOL:

I used to really dig higher gained amps, but I'm just not drawn to them anymore...guess I better go shopping for a rocking chair.

I blame Landau, Krantz, Beck, Timmons, Carlton, Garsed, Scofield, Metheny, Ford, Henderson, Benson, Gilmour, Johnson, Becker...
 
I go back and forth with the gain myself, but I tliked it:).
 
that's a very cool tone and you do such a great job with that tone, but I'd like you hear you dial a significantly different tone with that amp. step out of the box.
 
It sounded Killer to me !

Yeah there was lots of gain , but usable it was , and clarity for days as far as I'm hearing .

If it's too loud ??? your to damn old :rock:
 
Awesome! :rock:

Too much gain? I think not. You had it under control.

Rock it as you like it. :thumbsup:
 
The rhythm tone was great :rock: But I really wasn't digging the lead tone. Too thin/bitey for my tastes. Nice clip though. :D
 
I think it's sound great. :thumbsup:
My taste has shifted a bit in the last year or so and I now like my tone on the darker side.
 
Rock on George Lyn... oops I mean JB ;) Tones were GREAT!
 
I hear ya Pat..I mean I love this clip JB especially the rythym portion. I am to drawn to Billy gibbons..just got paid type tone right now! The other day Frank and I at Egnater had what we felt to be the best 2 tones we have been able to get via the Egg modules. A SL2 and a COD...The SL2 gave us the the 80s gain to gibbons gain.. the COD gave us BB king, EJ to Zep and even more gain than you think you need, then a great Jazzy clean tone! Its always a work in progress..or a change in process!
 
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