AI potential dangers.

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One if my friends from work is in his 20s and does this music (Electronica?) that is a bunch of noises to a beat. He is a DJ and all of these kids will show up and listen and I just don't get it.

I think im spoiled because I saw AC/DC back in 88' and it was guitar plugged into amp, big drums, musicianship for hours, raw and awesome. Even rappers have to work at their craft with great lyrics and a beat that works. Some of this music now is just someone arranging sounds.
 
rsm said:
I've worked in AI for decades. Most people have no idea what AI has been doing all these years; what's different is the low cost of computer systems, availability of low cost networking, the available AI systems, AI human experts vs the cost and complexity of human workers, etc. All that's needed is a good cost/benefit model. Whether it's fast food workers who demand more money, don't show up on time or at all and do less work, or hollywood actors and writers.

Heard of Hatsune Miku? She's an anime singer, she has fans around the world; her voice was created in Yamaha Vocaloid software, which you can buy, and buy different voice packs, to create vocals.

For years we've had software for instruments, effects, music scores, recording, arranging, mixing, mastering, distribution, etc. Nothing prevents AI being added to all of this software.

Years ago Sony Music demonstrated an AI system that could learn entire catalogs of music, and generate new music in the style of that artist; that was before generative AI. With generative AI, the AI can learn music catalogs of several artists and generate new music combining all of them. It can also be done with lyrics.

Put it all together, a human just needs to tell the AI system what they want it to create, the AI system does everything else, and has a new song generated and distributed to all the digital music platforms, and notifications sent to all the music press. For now, I expect humans will need to be involved in each step of the music production process to adjust, correct and fix things that are wrong, by doing that the AI systems learn more, and become more effective, more correct, and require ever less human involvement.

Now the studios own everything, the rights to the songs their AI generates, no human creators, musicians or production expertise required.

Think it can't happen? The majority of the music listening public don't really care about who makes the music, only if they like it. Look at the history and current state of techno music and DJs, they program the songs, the breaks, etc., then press play and they interact with the music as much as they want if at all.

AI and Robotics are coming for your jobs, white collar, blue collar, no collar, all that's needed is a good/favorable cost benefit model.

Enjoy our future.
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This of course will further the divide of the Haves and Have Nots. Shrink the middle class. Add to the chaos. Eventually, there will not be enough jobs (income) to support our already over-crowded planet. The benefits do not out weigh the negative impacts. But like you said, it is too late. I worry more for my kids than myself.
 
311splawndude said:
This of course will further the divide of the Haves and Have Nots. Shrink the middle class. Add to the chaos. Eventually, there will not be enough jobs (income) to support our already over-crowded planet. The benefits do not out weigh the negative impacts. But like you said, it is too late. I worry more for my kids than myself.
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if more kids went into STEM instead of the myriad of worthless degrees, they'd have a better chance for the future. For example, Netflix has a job posting for an AI Manager, base salary is $900K; other studios have AI positions listed at $300K. Have the skills, there are many jobs that pay well.

However, even that is limited, one of the systems I'm working on today uses generative AI to create / update software, zero human programmers, with accuracy at 90% which is far greater than human programmers; we're working on improving that accuracy; we can generate that code in several programming languages, and we have automatic integrations with existing commercial software business systems, and we'll have machine learning that can learn how to integrate with any other system out there automatically.

One of the biggest costs in software development is testing; we have another team working on this. Software bugs delay product releases and increase the time, effort and cost of testing. Reducing bugs and testing, if not eventually eliminating them, will be significant for most companies. AI is also being used for automated testing computer software and is improving rapidly.

We have another team working on datacenter operations. When the software is deployed in production, AI is used for operations monitoring, management, problem detection and resolution without human intervention, far beyond "lights out" datacenters.

Many of these systems are experimental and expensive now, but the price is coming down rapidly as these AI systems improve and more companies start using them, and it's modular so you can start using pieces independently, and expand into other areas when it makes sense for your business.

in his book, "The Singularity is Near", Kurzweil stated that some technologies have the potential to accelerate technology/science/engineering exponentially.

As I said, I've been doing AI for decades, I built and deployed my first AI system in the late '80s, and countless others since, in many business domains, including civilian and DoD government projects.

Most people didn't pay attention to AI until recently, long after it's too late for them to do anything about it or acquire the skills to become part of it. Same for robotics.
 
This is the real danger here.

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rsm said:
if more kids went into STEM instead of the myriad of worthless degrees, they'd have a better chance for the future. For example, Netflix has a job posting for an AI Manager, base salary is $900K; other studios have AI positions listed at $300K. Have the skills, there are many jobs that pay well.

However, even that is limited, one of the systems I'm working on today uses generative AI to create / update software, zero human programmers, with accuracy at 90% which is far greater than human programmers; we're working on improving that accuracy; we can generate that code in several programming languages, and we have automatic integrations with existing commercial software business systems, and we'll have machine learning that can learn how to integrate with any other system out there automatically.

One of the biggest costs in software development is testing; we have another team working on this. Software bugs delay product releases and increase the time, effort and cost of testing. Reducing bugs and testing, if not eventually eliminating them, will be significant for most companies. AI is also being used for automated testing computer software and is improving rapidly.

We have another team working on datacenter operations. When the software is deployed in production, AI is used for operations monitoring, management, problem detection and resolution without human intervention, far beyond "lights out" datacenters.

Many of these systems are experimental and expensive now, but the price is coming down rapidly as these AI systems improve and more companies start using them, and it's modular so you can start using pieces independently, and expand into other areas when it makes sense for your business.

in his book, "The Singularity is Near", Kurzweil stated that some technologies have the potential to accelerate technology/science/engineering exponentially.

As I said, I've been doing AI for decades, I built and deployed my first AI system in the late '80s, and countless others since, in many business domains, including civilian and DoD government projects.

Most people didn't pay attention to AI until recently, long after it's too late for them to do anything about it or acquire the skills to become part of it. Same for robotics.
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I think you just proved my point(s) :D
 
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I think you just proved my point(s) :D
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Exactly! But also illustrated some things going on that some may not know about.

Over the years I've worked on dozens of AI projects, when I started there were probably several hundred to a few thousand people working in AI outside of university research, now it's tens of thousands or more.

It's happening exponentially and accelerating. If you take what the WEF says at face value (you'll own nothing and you'll be happy about it), we're going toward some combination of 1984 and Brave New World; what's unfortunate is there are many who are ready, willing and able to give up rights, freedoms and enter into neo-serfdom: the future brave new world needs its' deltas, gammas and epsilons, and many will freely embrace it. It will start with universal basic income, social credit scores and central bank digital currency; if you resist, your ability to live and function in society will be taken away no access to money, and other necessities. We've already seen it happening in many countries.

If you attempt oldspeak, oldthink, ownlife, etc., you will be sent to joycamp or be unpersoned.
 
Read a sci-fi story once about the most advanced futuristic civilization in the universe that pooled all their resources to make a giant computer to answer the hardest questions there are. They finished it and turned it on. The leader of the civilization said "Computer.....is there a God?"....Suddenly there was a bolt of lightning which fused the power switch to ON and the computer said..."There is now..."

“Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind.”​

― Frank Herbert, Dune
 
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rsm said:
I've worked in AI for decades. Most people have no idea what AI has been doing all these years; what's different is the low cost of computer systems, availability of low cost networking, the available AI systems, AI human experts vs the cost and complexity of human workers, etc. All that's needed is a good cost/benefit model. Whether it's fast food workers who demand more money, don't show up on time or at all and do less work, or hollywood actors and writers.

Heard of Hatsune Miku? She's an anime singer, she has fans around the world; her voice was created in Yamaha Vocaloid software, which you can buy, and buy different voice packs, to create vocals.

For years we've had software for instruments, effects, music scores, recording, arranging, mixing, mastering, distribution, etc. Nothing prevents AI being added to all of this software.

Years ago Sony Music demonstrated an AI system that could learn entire catalogs of music, and generate new music in the style of that artist; that was before generative AI. With generative AI, the AI can learn music catalogs of several artists and generate new music combining all of them. It can also be done with lyrics.

Put it all together, a human just needs to tell the AI system what they want it to create, the AI system does everything else, and has a new song generated and distributed to all the digital music platforms, and notifications sent to all the music press. For now, I expect humans will need to be involved in each step of the music production process to adjust, correct and fix things that are wrong, by doing that the AI systems learn more, and become more effective, more correct, and require ever less human involvement.

Now the studios own everything, the rights to the songs their AI generates, no human creators, musicians or production expertise required.

Think it can't happen? The majority of the music listening public don't really care about who makes the music, only if they like it. Look at the history and current state of techno music and DJs, they program the songs, the breaks, etc., then press play and they interact with the music as much as they want if at all.

AI and Robotics are coming for your jobs, white collar, blue collar, no collar, all that's needed is a good/favorable cost benefit model.

Enjoy our future.
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It is a real shame how most of the new current music listeners couldn't care less about if the music is created by real musicians or a damn computer software program... Mindless cattle really... Look at the current state of pop music... Its really awful to say the least.
 
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Geo said:
Your opinion matters but who gives a shit what that douche bag thinks.
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Whether you like him or not that is not the issue here as he brings up some very valid points.
 
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espquade said:
Weather you like him or not that is not the issue here as he brings up some very valid points.
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He went from "Raging Against The Machine" to "Raging For The Machine".

The man is a sellout and has no true conviction.

Next week he will be saying something different about it.

Do you really want to listen to someone like that?
 
Devin said:
I'm taking this fucking video to the bushes :love: :love: :love:

Tell your friend I love him plz
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I asked him for the ISO drum track and he gave it to me.

I built a Rangemaster clone pedal and tried to get close to what he did there.

 
Geo said:
He went from "Raging Against The Machine" to "Raging For The Machine".

The man is a sellout and has no true conviction.

Next week he will be saying something different about it.

Do you really want to listen to someone like that?
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Please give examples of your accusations.
 
JohnnyGtar said:
Please give examples of your accusations.
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Please see above post

"He went from "Raging Against The Machine" to "Raging For The Machine".

The man is a sellout and has no true conviction.

Next week he will be saying something different about it.

Do you really want to listen to someone like that?"

His solo's are the Yoko Ono of guitar solo's

And his mother smells of elderberries.
 
Folks said the same about the Melotron, the the ROMpler keyboard. "ahh now anyone can play any sound, musicians will loose their job"
Folks said the same about digital "ahh now you can literally fake all your music and do unlimited takes"
Folks said the same thing about auto-tune and amp sims "ahh music is all fake now"

In terms of taking jobs, we've been here before in the industrial revolution. People burned down the factories saying machines would take their jobs. The employment rate didn't change. People just changed jobs. I've already put on my fishnet stockings...
 
Devin said:
I'm also confused as hell.....sounds like Geo is confusing Vernon Reid with Tom Morello but maybe I'm missing something 🤷‍♂️
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They both have very lame solo's but no I am not confusing the two.

It's a sad fact that TM of Rage Against The Machine, has done a political 180.

Their message and angst was inspiring, now they are just sellouts.

Like Johnny Lydon says, he can't believe that they have become the cunty, twatty ones.
 
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