Australia is the new Rhodesia

JackBootedThug said:
Also had an inmate from NZ. Good dude. Ex royal navy guy, he could repair anything. Fuckin genius. He lived here before getting incarcerated. Drug game is a mofo….
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I know my horrendous (comparatively) left wing ideas are about as popular as carpet burn here, but I can tell you that Aussies who were actually born in NZ like I was are among the best things that Australia has to offer.
 
jdel77 said:
Hang on a minute.
According to people on your side of the fence, the Founding Fathers were able to understand scientific innovation and predict the future enough to warrant the 2A being applicable equally to both 18th Century muskets and 21st assault weapons.
Yet they never clarify who “We The People” refers to, whether they’re visitors, migrants or born citizens?

You can’t have it both ways sorry. Either the USA’s Constitution is:

a. Specifically worded down to the letter, meaning that freedoms and protections apply to anyone in the USA regardless of their citizenship status

Or

b. It’s a wishy washy wishlist of bullshit pie in the sky concepts which are open to interpretation depending on the mood of the reader.

Personally, I’d give those blokes who wrote it far more credit than that.
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That’s a massive and retarded stretch. Certainly the founders understood weaponry would advance. So what? The whole fucking point is for the people to be armed to resist a tyrannical government. Stands to reason there would not be restrictions on what arms the people can have but not the government. That’s why it’s worded so simply. They intended to make it understandable by retards. Stick to Aussie law upside down man because your grasp of US constitutional law is grossly inadequate for you to be commenting on it.
 
jdel77 said:
Hang on a minute.
According to people on your side of the fence, the Founding Fathers were able to understand scientific innovation and predict the future enough to warrant the 2A being applicable equally to both 18th Century muskets and 21st assault weapons.
Yet they never clarify who “We The People” refers to, whether they’re visitors, migrants or born citizens?

You can’t have it both ways sorry. Either the USA’s Constitution is:

a. Specifically worded down to the letter, meaning that freedoms and protections apply to anyone in the USA regardless of their citizenship status

Or

b. It’s a wishy washy wishlist of bullshit pie in the sky concepts which are open to interpretation depending on the mood of the reader.

Personally, I’d give those blokes who wrote it far more credit than that.
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You are incorrect on this.
The US Constitution from it's inception and full ratification in 1790 is understood to apply to United States citizens. It sets up the framework for the US government and by extension established that rights granted [in the Bill of Rights] automatically applies to only US citizens.
Along with the Constitution came the Naturalization act of 1790 which defined a citizen and granted citizenship to white persons who had resided in the country for a minimum of 2 years (about 80% of the population at the time). It also granted citizenship to children of US citizens born abroad
Next came the 14th Amendment in 1868 which officially granted birthright citizenship and removed the racial boundaries for citizenship.
The naturalization act of 1906 established universal guidelines for becoming a US citizen.
Naturalization acts between 1790 & 1906 dealt with native Americans gaining citizenship. Any acts after 1906 were to refine the previous act.
We've already gone over how US rights are extended to visitors as a curtesy during their stay but are not automatically granted. And all rights are not always extended to visitors.

The 2nd Amendment states: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
The militia is defined as males between the ages of 17-45 who are citizens, or who have made a declaration of intention to become citizens It also includes female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard. Unwritten but understood, any person over 45 would be considered the unofficial militia.
A militia is also broken into 2 classes. Organized - those who have had formal training such as the National Guard. Unorganized - basically everyone else who meets the definition above
The definition of arms as used during the founding of the United States was any object used in offence or defense. This encompassed everything from a rock to current and future technology firearms. Supreme Court has further defined Arms as any weapon or thing that is used for defense or offense which includes weapons for both military and non-military use.

To recap:
  • The US Constitution ["We the people"] has always been understood to apply only to US citizens.
  • By extension other documents such as the Bill of Rights apply to only US citizens.
  • A US citizen is defined in the Naturalization Acts.
  • Rights (such as freedom of speech) can be extended to visitors as a curtsey but aren't automatically granted to non-citizens.
  • The 2A establishes a militia and grants the right to bear arms
  • Militia is clearly defined
  • Arms is clearly defined.
  • Your attempted points and argument do not hold water.
 
jdel77 said:
The fuck is a Quigley?? 😂
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A Sharps rifle. A very accurate, long range rifle of it's day. Always wanted one but they are pretty spendy. Something like this:

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VonBonfire said:
A Sharps rifle. A very accurate, long range rifle of it's day. Always wanted one but they are pretty spendy. Something like this:

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@jdel77 hates guns that can be owned by free citizens; not surprised he didn't know what it was or how to find out for himself by using internet search. lefties, like jdel77, want others to do the work for them, but get the benefits from the results.
 
rsm said:
@jdel77 hates guns that can be owned by free citizens; not surprised he didn't know what it was or how to find out using internet search.
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Well he's an Aussie. Thumbpicker is the same way. Just my experience that brits tend to fall on the safe side of the line rather than the free side when they have their choice.
 
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VonBonfire said:
Well he's an Aussie. Thumbpicker is the same way. Just my experience that brits tend to fall on the safe side of the line rather than the free side when they have their choice.
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Thumbpicker seems to be more a centrist; and reasonable.

jdell is woke lefty. if he was in the US, he'd be a kameltoe & wartz supporter.
 
jdel77 said:
You’re a gross old man who lives in a Texan compound, dribbling on about being a God fearing, righteous Christian. But you’re just another full of shit part time Bible basher, evidently with a closet gay porn addiction.
As much as I disagree with people like @VonBonfire, at least weirdos like him practice what they preach.

What does your Bible say about being lukewarm…? A hollow clanging bell?
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He tells everyone they are going to hell all the time. I guess he doesn't realize that people who are doing that are pretty much guaranteed a spot there if they don't cool it. It's kind of a protestant thing to scream at people from street corners so he thinks he's doing his part.

rsm said:
Thumbpicker seems to be more a centrist; and reasonable.

jdell is woke lefty. if he was in the US, he'd be a kameltoe & wartz supporter.
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Well truthfully I haven't gotten along great with either guy but I still like both of them better than some of the others. That's why I don't discriminate in life against people who don't see politics the same way. People have this idea that only those who see politics the way they do are worth being friends with but I know plenty of conservatives who are also otherwise morons.
 
VonBonfire said:
He tells everyone they are going to hell all the time. I guess he doesn't realize that people who are doing that are pretty much guaranteed a spot there if they don't cool it. It's kind of a protestant thing to scream at people from street corners so he thinks he's doing his part.


Well truthfully I haven't gotten along great with either guy but I still like both of them better than some of the others. That's why I don't discriminate in life against people who don't see politics the same way. People have this idea that only those who see politics the way they do are worth being friends with but I know plenty of conservatives who are also otherwise morons.
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I find most extremists amusing. Clearly I'm right of center, perhaps far right of center especially for the unhinged commies; but in reality I'm indifferent, and getting too old to care about the coming dark age and neo-feudalism, though I will likely be long gone before both. If not, I'll have my exit strategy ready to go.

enjoy the decline; brought upon us by the globalist woke lefties, and their US branch the demoncrats. I plan to enjoy the collective West's ride down to the third-world as long as possible.
 
rsm said:
I find most extremists amusing. Clearly I'm right of center, perhaps far right of center especially for the unhinged commies; but in reality I'm indifferent, and getting too old to care about the coming dark age and neo-feudalism, though I will likely be long gone before both. If not, I'll have my exit strategy ready to go.

enjoy the decline; brought upon us by the globalist woke lefties, and their US branch the demoncrats. I plan to enjoy the collective West's ride down to the third-world as long as possible.
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I mostly only care about orthodoxy, family, and playing gigs. Nothing in this world will matter when you are dead except your faith.
 
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Thumbpicker said:
Diversity. Equality. Inclusion. Submersion.

Having said that you're a good Canadian RSM - I can tell because you seem to confuse NZ with Australia.
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nah, just didn't think we needed a dedicated thread for NZ since only Aussies pay attention to those kiwis. :D
 
Floyd Eye said:
That’s a massive and retarded stretch. Certainly the founders understood weaponry would advance. So what? The whole fucking point is for the people to be armed to resist a tyrannical government. Stands to reason there would not be restrictions on what arms the people can have but not the government. That’s why it’s worded so simply. They intended to make it understandable by retards. Stick to Aussie law upside down man because your grasp of US constitutional law is grossly inadequate for you to be commenting on it.
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Well you know my thoughts on that.

Why would a new Government of citizens, fresh out of the oven, suddenly enact a law about how everyone should have muskets to oppose their 5 minute old free and fair Government of the People, for the People? Makes absolutely no sense.

I still believe that it makes far more sense historically that the 2A was written for the citizens to arm themselves to cooperate with and defend their brand new progressive Government AGAINST a revolutionary army who would want to remove it, and establish a traditional monarchy, either absolute or Constitutional.

Look at what was happening in the French Revolution in December 1791, when Madison proposed the 2A.
Louis XVI was still alive (but only for another month), and the 2 year old French Revolutionary Assembly was up to it's tits in internal divisions, bitching and bickering which was pulling the new Government apart.

Plus they were in a war with Austria and Prussia, both absolute monarchies, who were invading and threatening to tear to bits the new Government, if their own Leftist Radicals didn't do it first.

The Founding Fathers were not stupid, and they knew that an American Government which drew on the loyalty and patriotism of it's citizen militias to support them would be the best defence against the political rot of internal power struggles and external sovereign invaders.

Somewhere along the way, the American Government got painted as the enemy of the people it was built to work with AND for, and the Senators who are the lapdogs of your licensing companies (NRA, etc...) turned the people against their own democratically elected officials by using the age old method of fear, suspicion and paranoia to rake in licensing fees and put puppet senators in Congress.

USA! USA!
 
It's quite-amazing how many peeps down here insist that they've seen one.

I've listened to a few accounts and the signs are there that the sightings are of a pretty-large feline...
 
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