Bogner Über-Ultra EL34 [Updated]

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I'd dial back the mids on the Marshall, raise the treble a tad, because now it sounds too 'gurgly'.

The Bogner has its own issues going on, but overall tonally it sounds more balanced, albeit on the boomy side. But the compression is too much, I agree.

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*Generally speaking*...I like my amps a helluva lot tighter.
 
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Speeddemon said:
I'd dial back the mids on the Marshall, raise the treble a tad, because now it sounds too 'gurgly'.

The Bogner has its own issues going on, but overall tonally it sounds more balanced, albeit on the boomy side. But the compression is too much, I agree.
I like my amps a helluva lot tighter.
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Here's the Marshall with mids:
 
I’d mess with the metamorph knob more and the doom, focus, bright switch more on your Uber. The Uber ultra can literally get as tight or loose as you want it with those controls.

I kind of laugh about the compression talk… cool in the room to feel less of it, but when stuff is mixed down dynamics from guitars pretty much go out the window in metal music especially in all major mixes these days. Also, compression isn’t tightness, but dynamic range.

That all being said for the song being played I think the Uber fits it way more. But that’s just me.
 
Bram576 said:
I’d mess with the metamorph knob more and the doom, focus, bright switch more on your Uber. The Uber ultra can literally get as tight or loose as you want it with those controls.

I kind of laugh about the compression talk… cool in the room to feel less of it, but when stuff is mixed down dynamics from guitars pretty much go out the window in metal music especially in all major mixes these days. Also, compression isn’t tightness, but dynamic range.

That all being said for the song being played I think the Uber fits it way more. But that’s just me.
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I did mess with. :) That's just one Snap-Shot of a quadrillion possible sounds that come out of the Bogner. Each with the same signature-voicing though. The compression talk is more about the feel.
And of course compression isn't tightness, whatever one thinks what tightness is.
The production is a completely different story.
 
Bram576 said:
I’d mess with the metamorph knob more and the doom, focus, bright switch more on your Uber. The Uber ultra can literally get as tight or loose as you want it with those controls.

I kind of laugh about the compression talk… cool in the room to feel less of it, but when stuff is mixed down dynamics from guitars pretty much go out the window in metal music especially in all major mixes these days. Also, compression isn’t tightness, but dynamic range.

That all being said for the song being played I think the Uber fits it way more. But that’s just me.
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I am still patiently waiting on my EL-34 Uber Ultra up in Canada. Going on 9 months, but it seems like a compendium of Uberschall in a box that really can get as dark/bright or tight/fat as you want.

As for the compression: I mean, if your signal chain is an ESP with hot pickups in to a boost in to the Uber or Ultra channel of that amp....ya, it is going to be Hella compressed.
 
I should add your tone sounds killer in your demo! Hopefully you find the setting with the Uber to get the feel you are after. Seems like an amp with multiple "sweetspots" that may take some tweaking.
 
Bram576 said:
Also, compression isn’t tightness, but dynamic range.
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As indicated by the period, I wrote two separate sentences. One about compression and the other, as a general statement about the Bogner, that I like my amps tighter.
Case in point, my Engl Savage 60; quite compressed, but tight as a nun's arse.

Perhaps I should 'laugh' at the lack of comprehensive reading skills of some here. ;-)
 
VHTStark said:
I am still patiently waiting on my EL-34 Uber Ultra up in Canada. Going on 9 months, but it seems like a compendium of Uberschall in a box that really can get as dark/bright or tight/fat as you want.

As for the compression: I mean, if your signal chain is an ESP with hot pickups in to a boost in to the Uber or Ultra channel of that amp....ya, it is going to be Hella compressed.
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Yes,
like a compendium of "modern" Uberschall
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but it's different than the previous Versions.
I had an Original, Rev Blue and a Twin Jet before.
I think the Rev Blue is my favorite.
I did not use a boost with the Über. It's straight in. Had the built in boost on in the Über Channel.
Lot's of "I", but what can i do? :D
 
VHTStark said:
I should add your tone sounds killer in your demo! Hopefully you find the setting with the Uber to get the feel you are after. Seems like an amp with multiple "sweetspots" that may take some tweaking.
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Thanks. ;)
Seems like an amp with multiple "sweetspots" that may take some tweaking.
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This ^
 
Simon Dorn said:
Yes,

but it's different than the previous Versions.
I had an Original, Rev Blue and a Twin Jet before.
I think the Rev Blue is my favorite.
I did not use a boost with the Über. It's straight in. Had the built in boost on in the Über Channel.
Lot's of "I", but what can i do? :D
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Since you had previous versions, what’s so different about the ultra tone wise?

I’m curious cause I have a Rev 2 and a Rev Blue, also waiting for mine to show up.
 
Hard to explain. It's more modern and more compressed with a lot more tonal shaping options (obviously).

I think it started a few years ago, when a change happened to the Rev Blue Version.

They kinda sounded more open and organic before.

Reminded me of the changes of the Diezel Herbert from MK2 to MK3.

I suspected them (Peter and Reinhold) that they must have spoken with each other regarding the changes.

You won't need a boost with the Ultra, but you can't use one too. It's simply too much.

The Über-Ultra is REALLY extreme.
Up to a point, where the noise is almost as loud as the guitar, in Ultra-Mode with the gain cranked and the internal gain boost engaged. :D
I just tried it, cause i either heard or read it and i wanted to give it a try aka check it out.
Uncontrollable feedback is also an issue, after a certain point, gain-wise.

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Rev Blue:
 
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If I remember correctly, you had the EVH 6L6 Stealth? Is it modern and compressed like the red channel?
 
Metal1977 said:
If I remember correctly, you had the EVH 6L6 Stealth? Is it modern and compressed like the red channel?
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Yes. And No. The Stealth is a lot flatter. But it's been a while since i had one.
When i think about it: The Ultra is more like an Uberschallized Version of the Helios Eclipse.
With a certain thickness to the tone which you can feel in the strings, if you know what i mean.
And the omph you get out of the Ultra is insane.
But i'm also using a MF400B with G12-K100.
Vintage 30s are probably a better choice. :D
My favorite V30s are the Vintage 30MF from the MF280 cabs.
I had two of them. One after another, but i sold both of them, for whatever reason. :doh::D

I'll give the Ultra another try tomorrow.

 
Simon Dorn said:
The Über-Ultra is REALLY extreme.
Up to a point, where the noise is almost as loud as the guitar, in Ultra-Mode with the gain cranked and the internal gain boost engaged. :D
I just tried it, cause i either heard or read it and i wanted to give it a try aka check it out.
Uncontrollable feedback is also an issue, after a certain point, gain-wise.
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Because of these noise issues of UU, I always hesitate to order one. I hope Reinhold solve this.
 
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