Bring back the BLue Face!!!!!

[Ventura]

Ok i Get what you are saying,
but you reminded me kinda like the gold/silver klon vs klon ktr tho? wont people still say the old script sounds this "way" as oppose to new "old" script "that way" etc?
It 'll end up a never ending pursuit...

Not if it's exactly like the first prototypes. If there's ANY difference to it, than the door is left open for subjective preference. Keep it like it was - have the assurance from the company that it is like it was in '92 - and sell it as a select run, one shot deal, get 'em while you can.

And please note - I am not speaking whatsoever for Peter and Peter, and Diezel as a company. I am only putting my business sense to this completely hypothetical concept. It has been talked about for years.... The revered "BlueFace". Alright, money where the mouth is - here's the exact circuit; save for some cosmetics. Here's the price. Here's the waitlist. Get a piece of history and do with it what you may. No one said it will be cheap or painless

 

[jonl]

Understandable... If its $7500 then it's not going to happen for me.
If others can afford then I am going to happy for those who can buy one.

Of course, please understand I pulled that number out of my ass. It could be less, it could be more, and most importantly, it may not even happen. But where this comes into a realistic model of business is that:
a) In order to develop these amps, all other amps have to be put on hold.
b) In order to save on costs to develop, and therefore costs to the Buyer, using current chassis and headshells (and colours) is needed.
c) If it is something that is WANTED, worldwide, than people will have to make sacrifices, either in selling their current gear, or bucking up and buying it for what it's worth.
d) Diezel needs to protect themselves to make sure the time spent and the costs to manufacture are all accounted for and profitable.
e) It has to be identical to the first prototypes, not an option on some current model - because otherwise, the mystique of the 1st run will always prevail, and then open the door for consumers to still feel they're not getting the "real deal".

I'd recommend a 50% deposit waitlist. Sign up, cash down, and therefore allow for some of the costs to be covered for Diezel HQ to get started on making them with being protected to some extent.

All said in a hypothetical prose, of course.

Uncle Mo

I here ya man,
Lets just see what Peter thinks on this.
Not worth digging to deep until he says its a go or a no.

 

[brickford]

e) It has to be identical to the first prototypes, not an option on some current model - because otherwise, the mystique of the 1st run will always prevail, and then open the door for consumers to still feel they're not getting the "real deal".

I'd recommend a 50% deposit waitlist. Sign up, cash down, and therefore allow for some of the costs to be covered for Diezel HQ to get started on making them with being protected to some extent.

All said in a hypothetical prose, of course.

Uncle Mo

I am still of the thinking of a Option switchable old/new script circuit added , even tho you say the possibility of people may feel that they are not getting the real deal may cause them to still want the old blues... but i am thinking that Peter is a freaking perfectionist amp genius and wouldnt put any out that wasn't the real deal (circuit wise) , so thus we'd get the best of both worlds in a single vh4, the tone that launched a 1000+ vh4's and the lastest most uptodate vh4 tone that Peter is most content with.

All said in a hypothetical world etc

 

[Ventura]

I am still of the thinking of a Option switchable old/new script circuit added , even tho you say the possibility of people may feel that they are not getting the real deal may cause them to still want the old blues... but i am thinking that Peter is a freaking perfectionist amp genius and wouldnt put any out that wasn't the real deal (circuit wise) , so thus we'd get the best of both worlds in a single vh4, the tone that launched a 1000+ vh4's and the lastest most uptodate vh4 tone that Peter is most content with.

All said in a hypothetical world etc

Too complicated. Now we're building two amps in one, and because they'd have to share the same OTs, chokes, and tubes, it wouldn't be the Blueface. There's a preamp difference, and a host of other circuitry differences. It's not as easy as a toggle option.

Standalone, exacting circuits of the Blueface. The VH4-BFLTD. 1 of 150. Same powertubes, same trannies, same everything.

 

[brickford]

Standalone, exacting circuits of the Blueface. The VH4-BFLTD. 1 of 150. Same powertubes, same trannies, same everything.

Would this hypothetical VH4-BFLTD be availible as VH4S-BFLTD also?

 

[Ventura]

Standalone, exacting circuits of the Blueface. The VH4-BFLTD. 1 of 150. Same powertubes, same trannies, same everything.

Would this hypothetical VH4-BFLTD be availible as VH4S-BFLTD also?

Not a fkn chance. Why? Because the Blueface was never available as a stereo option head.

It's gotta be the "real deal". If it's not the "real deal" or if it's trying to be "better" than the "real deal", than it's not going to satisfy the purpose of its origin. Which, in short, is to get all the people fapping over Adam Jones and his blessed blueface, all the Tool wannabe fans, and even Adam Jones' agent/management company, and all the other more esoteric amp players and collectors to BUY this one-off head, and finally, totally, for the love of god's grace on this grey earth, STFU about wanting the blueface.


Uncle Mo

PS: And don't you dare ask about MIDI switching, or any of the newer bells and whistles available on the later model VH4 amps people!! You want the real deal(??), that means you get real 1992

 

[MOOSEHEADS]

Standalone, exacting circuits of the Blueface. The VH4-BFLTD. 1 of 150. Same powertubes, same trannies, same everything.

Would this hypothetical VH4-BFLTD be availible as VH4S-BFLTD also?

Not a fkn chance. Why? Because the Blueface was never available as a stereo option head.

It's gotta be the "real deal". If it's not the "real deal" or if it's trying to be "better" than the "real deal", than it's not going to satisfy the purpose of its origin. Which, in short, is to get all the people fapping over Adam Jones and his blessed blueface, all the Tool wannabe fans, and even Adam Jones' agent/management company, and all the other more esoteric amp players and collectors to BUY this one-off head, and finally, totally, for the love of god's grace on this grey earth, STFU about wanting the blueface.


Uncle Mo

PS: And don't you dare ask about MIDI switching, or any of the newer bells and whistles available on the later model VH4 amps people!! You want the real deal(??), that means you get real 1992

The Adam Jones "Blueface" from 95 was available in stereo and is midi switchable.

Now I will go back to my "flapping".

 

[brickford]

Standalone, exacting circuits of the Blueface. The VH4-BFLTD. 1 of 150. Same powertubes, same trannies, same everything.

Would this hypothetical VH4-BFLTD be availible as VH4S-BFLTD also?

Not a fkn chance. Why? Because the Blueface was never available as a stereo option head.

It's gotta be the "real deal". If it's not the "real deal" or if it's trying to be "better" than the "real deal", than it's not going to satisfy the purpose of its origin. Which, in short, is to get all the people fapping over Adam Jones and his blessed blueface, all the Tool wannabe fans, and even Adam Jones' agent/management company, and all the other more esoteric amp players and collectors to BUY this one-off head, and finally, totally, for the love of god's grace on this grey earth, STFU about wanting the blueface.


Uncle Mo

PS: And don't you dare ask about MIDI switching, or any of the newer bells and whistles available on the later model VH4 amps people!! You want the real deal(??), that means you get real 1992

The Adam Jones "Blueface" from 95 was available in stereo and is midi switchable.

Now I will go back to my "flapping".

And wasn't Adams blue's modded?.. so would it be a stock blue face ltd re-issue or a Adam Jones Signiture Diezel which i am sure the OP of this thread really wants

 

[jonl]

Another blue VHS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o1dH_S4Y_U

 

[MOOSEHEADS]

Standalone, exacting circuits of the Blueface. The VH4-BFLTD. 1 of 150. Same powertubes, same trannies, same everything.

Would this hypothetical VH4-BFLTD be availible as VH4S-BFLTD also?

Not a fkn chance. Why? Because the Blueface was never available as a stereo option head.

It's gotta be the "real deal". If it's not the "real deal" or if it's trying to be "better" than the "real deal", than it's not going to satisfy the purpose of its origin. Which, in short, is to get all the people fapping over Adam Jones and his blessed blueface, all the Tool wannabe fans, and even Adam Jones' agent/management company, and all the other more esoteric amp players and collectors to BUY this one-off head, and finally, totally, for the love of god's grace on this grey earth, STFU about wanting the blueface.


Uncle Mo

PS: And don't you dare ask about MIDI switching, or any of the newer bells and whistles available on the later model VH4 amps people!! You want the real deal(??), that means you get real 1992

The Adam Jones "Blueface" from 95 was available in stereo and is midi switchable.

Now I will go back to my "flapping".

And wasn't Adams blue's modded?.. so would it be a stock blue face ltd re-issue or a Adam Jones Signiture Diezel which i am sure the OP of this thread really wants

It is not modded per Mr. Stapher:

"The difference to any later versions is mainly that we have used some ceramic capacitors that Peter replaced
against WIMA type capacitors later on ( which are apparently better and deliver less tolerances )
So this blue amp is constantly on the road for 20 years now and never failed!!!!"


Back to flapping

 

[steve_k]

Just in time for the release of the new Tool album and summer tour. They will be in Oz and NZ in May. Good strategic move by Peter to give the world a small release of BF reissues.

 

[Ventura]

The Adam Jones "Blueface" from 95 was available in stereo and is midi switchable.

Now I will go back to my "flapping".

Oh christ, here we go... So what "blueface" are we going to look at reissuing? The original BF?? The Adam Jones series BF?? I can see why this is a can-o-worms maybe best left uncanned

 

[steve_k]

 

[Ventura]

^^^^^^^^^^^^

If you can photoshop the inside of that can's lid to an "anodized blue", I think we'd have the first official promotional ad for the hypothetical reissue.

Uncle Mo

 

[cardinal]

Peter's old amps are awesome. Peter's new amps are awesome. An exact replica built today of a 1959 plexi will never be a '68 model 1959 plexi. Blueface would be the same. Still would be cool to see!

 

[kahawe]

That topic keeps coming up, personally I just prefer the blue front because it's unique, I really like the look. So if you are after the blue color, then try to find a limited edition from 2011(?) but I am not going to sell you mine!

If you are just after the tone, well, if you were running an old blueface you would still need a Marshall to get closer to the Tool tone IMHO because the old ones were darker in tone and it's not just the one amp that makes or breaks AJ's tone. Of course then you have two setups to lug around and that sucks without roadies and opens a whole other can of worms. I keep suggesting you that and it comes as straight from a source as there will be available on the subject... pair a front and a rear loaded cab with your silverface vh4 to get phasing and that's probably one of the biggest steps towards AJ's tone next to VH4+Marshall+phasingmics+magic and it is still a bit more manageable and affordable than 2 full setups. OK, it won't look as pretty and authentic-AJ like the old blueface and 3 stacks on stage but it is within much closer reach and should give you most of what you are actually looking for. Also it will probably suck a lot in any band-setup that isn't exactly like Tool but it should work great for your purpose.

 

[brickford]

The Adam Jones "Blueface" from 95 was available in stereo and is midi switchable.

Now I will go back to my "flapping".

Oh christ, here we go... So what "blueface" are we going to look at reissuing? The original BF?? The Adam Jones series BF?? I can see why this is a can-o-worms maybe best left uncanned

Agreed, its a futile thing to attemp... besides when it comes to Diezel amps the latest offerings really are the best you can get, it wouldn't have Peters name on it otherwise.
Still... i keep an eye out for those blues...

 

[kahawe]

Not an easy pick, hm?

 

[Sigma.Xiria]

Not an easy pick, hm?

Oh my fucking god...

 

[brickford]

Not an easy pick, hm?

Picture Peter Diezel as Morpheus...

" You take the Blue face... the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe...whatever you want to believe."

" You take the Silver face...you stay in Wonderland...and i'll show you how deep the rabbit hole goes".

(you reach out to pick)

" Remember... all i am offering is... Rock 'n' Roll... nothing more!"