Celestion EVH Greenbacks

[DET1973]

what is everyone's thoughts on the G12H30 Heritage series and what are the tonal differences between the G12H30 ones and the EVH speakers?

 

[richedie]

My buddy just bought 2 brand new EVH celestions and they say made in England right on the sticker on the side of the speaker but they also have the standard speaker blade terminals I have a quad of EVH Celestions with the old style hook terminals that don't have anything on them. At the 150 price point you would assume they are Chinese as Eddie need his cut off the top. To me they have the best greenback tone out of the current Celestions.

That's because Celestion recently started making the Heritage G12M's and I assume all the heritage speakers with the standard blade terminals..since the EVH is a relabeled Heritage G12M it follows that the EVH's will start showing up that way. Good move IMO..allways hated those old hook terminals. Read this thread..particularly post number 4: https://www.thegearpage.net/board/showth ... =terminals

Who cares, I solder all connections anyway.

 

[richedie]

Heritage and EVH Greenbacks VS. Standard issue Greenbacks:

Reissue has bigger lows and is better for hard rock and metal. EVH and Heritage are a little light and thin in the lows and mids.

From a guy I know who had both...
I've owned 4x12 cabs loaded with both the Heritage G12M's and the standard RI Greenbacks and I greatly prefer the standard RI Greenbacks over the more expensive Heritage version in every regard.
I prefer the standard RI Greenbacks because to my ears they have more mids and a stronger low end then the Heritage G12M's. I find that when pushed hard the standard RI's additional midrange really fattens up the tone, and the low end responds in a way that really "feels" great - the low end has some compression and give, yet still has punch and chunk when you attack the strings.
The Heritage G12M's sound good at very low volumes, but they are very inefficient, have less mids, and crunch up real quick when you start to push them a bit. Almost too much to the point where they sound taxed and ragged.
Also, I found the Heritage G12M to be completely lacking in low end punch when you lay into them at higher volumes. Instead of having that cool combination of compression and punch like the standard RI does, the low end on the Heritage G12M compresses and completely disappears - and I hated the fact that those speakers completely neutered the balls of my vintage Marshall amps.
A 4x12 loaded with Heritage G12M's is an EXTREMELY sedate sounding cab in terms of volume and response. I also owned a 2x12 loaded with standard RI Greenbacks and my 2x12 with the standard RI's was louder and punchier than my 4x12 loaded with the Heritage G12M's.
My amps are pre - '73 non master volume Marshalls and I go for those classic Marshall tones of the late 60's & early 70's - and FWIW, I find the standard RI Greenbacks to have more of that vintage mojo than the Heritage G12M's. Of course as with anything concerning tone

 

[DET1973]

Heritage and EVH Greenbacks VS. Standard issue Greenbacks:

Reissue has bigger lows and is better for hard rock and metal. EVH and Heritage are a little light and thin in the lows and mids.

From a guy I know who had both...
I've owned 4x12 cabs loaded with both the Heritage G12M's and the standard RI Greenbacks and I greatly prefer the standard RI Greenbacks over the more expensive Heritage version in every regard.
I prefer the standard RI Greenbacks because to my ears they have more mids and a stronger low end then the Heritage G12M's. I find that when pushed hard the standard RI's additional midrange really fattens up the tone, and the low end responds in a way that really "feels" great - the low end has some compression and give, yet still has punch and chunk when you attack the strings.
The Heritage G12M's sound good at very low volumes, but they are very inefficient, have less mids, and crunch up real quick when you start to push them a bit. Almost too much to the point where they sound taxed and ragged.
Also, I found the Heritage G12M to be completely lacking in low end punch when you lay into them at higher volumes. Instead of having that cool combination of compression and punch like the standard RI does, the low end on the Heritage G12M compresses and completely disappears - and I hated the fact that those speakers completely neutered the balls of my vintage Marshall amps.
A 4x12 loaded with Heritage G12M's is an EXTREMELY sedate sounding cab in terms of volume and response. I also owned a 2x12 loaded with standard RI Greenbacks and my 2x12 with the standard RI's was louder and punchier than my 4x12 loaded with the Heritage G12M's.
My amps are pre - '73 non master volume Marshalls and I go for those classic Marshall tones of the late 60's & early 70's - and FWIW, I find the standard RI Greenbacks to have more of that vintage mojo than the Heritage G12M's. Of course as with anything concerning tone

It's all subjective cause i've heard the RI are not as good and from the cabs i've heard RI greenbacks in i didn't like them as much. Cab construction plays a role here too.

 

[richedie]

RI Greenbacks, tighter, stay together longer, less break up, more head room.
Heritage, break up sooner, less head room.

 

[SBlue]

Heritage and EVH Greenbacks VS. Standard issue Greenbacks:

Reissue has bigger lows and is better for hard rock and metal. EVH and Heritage are a little light and thin in the lows and mids.

From a guy I know who had both...
I've owned 4x12 cabs loaded with both the Heritage G12M's and the standard RI Greenbacks and I greatly prefer the standard RI Greenbacks over the more expensive Heritage version in every regard.
I prefer the standard RI Greenbacks because to my ears they have more mids and a stronger low end then the Heritage G12M's. I find that when pushed hard the standard RI's additional midrange really fattens up the tone, and the low end responds in a way that really "feels" great - the low end has some compression and give, yet still has punch and chunk when you attack the strings.
The Heritage G12M's sound good at very low volumes, but they are very inefficient, have less mids, and crunch up real quick when you start to push them a bit. Almost too much to the point where they sound taxed and ragged.
Also, I found the Heritage G12M to be completely lacking in low end punch when you lay into them at higher volumes. Instead of having that cool combination of compression and punch like the standard RI does, the low end on the Heritage G12M compresses and completely disappears - and I hated the fact that those speakers completely neutered the balls of my vintage Marshall amps.
A 4x12 loaded with Heritage G12M's is an EXTREMELY sedate sounding cab in terms of volume and response. I also owned a 2x12 loaded with standard RI Greenbacks and my 2x12 with the standard RI's was louder and punchier than my 4x12 loaded with the Heritage G12M's.
My amps are pre - '73 non master volume Marshalls and I go for those classic Marshall tones of the late 60's & early 70's - and FWIW, I find the standard RI Greenbacks to have more of that vintage mojo than the Heritage G12M's. Of course as with anything concerning tone

Good for your friend, who was able to get all these conclusions himself.
But MY findings are completely the opposite.
The RI Greenbacks are great speakers, and do have more bass than the Heritage/EVH, but won't stay together when played loud, and are not as tight. And they do not come close to the Heritage/EVH speakers in terms of tone. And I'm telling this because I own them both, and every single time we've tested greenbacks for recording sessions, the clients never, not a single time, chosen the RI greenies. They always choose either the EVH 4x12 or the original 67 with 20w greenies.
Regarding how vintage the Heritage/EVH sound, they were the closest thing I've found to the favorite 4x12 basketweave(which I happen to own) I've heard to date. And I've heard quite a bit of them.
Now, I believe your friends findings. It just happen that I have a different taste.

 

[richedie]

Didn't want you to think I was starting an argument. I will try the Heritage myself and report back! How long do they take to break in? Avatar said they could do a 15 hour break in for me!
Cool, I might try both, at $130 a piece, I am going to give the Heritage or EVH series a try first!
Keep in mind, I go for rock and hard rock tones.

Heritage and EVH Greenbacks VS. Standard issue Greenbacks:

Reissue has bigger lows and is better for hard rock and metal. EVH and Heritage are a little light and thin in the lows and mids.

From a guy I know who had both...
I've owned 4x12 cabs loaded with both the Heritage G12M's and the standard RI Greenbacks and I greatly prefer the standard RI Greenbacks over the more expensive Heritage version in every regard.
I prefer the standard RI Greenbacks because to my ears they have more mids and a stronger low end then the Heritage G12M's. I find that when pushed hard the standard RI's additional midrange really fattens up the tone, and the low end responds in a way that really "feels" great - the low end has some compression and give, yet still has punch and chunk when you attack the strings.
The Heritage G12M's sound good at very low volumes, but they are very inefficient, have less mids, and crunch up real quick when you start to push them a bit. Almost too much to the point where they sound taxed and ragged.
Also, I found the Heritage G12M to be completely lacking in low end punch when you lay into them at higher volumes. Instead of having that cool combination of compression and punch like the standard RI does, the low end on the Heritage G12M compresses and completely disappears - and I hated the fact that those speakers completely neutered the balls of my vintage Marshall amps.
A 4x12 loaded with Heritage G12M's is an EXTREMELY sedate sounding cab in terms of volume and response. I also owned a 2x12 loaded with standard RI Greenbacks and my 2x12 with the standard RI's was louder and punchier than my 4x12 loaded with the Heritage G12M's.
My amps are pre - '73 non master volume Marshalls and I go for those classic Marshall tones of the late 60's & early 70's - and FWIW, I find the standard RI Greenbacks to have more of that vintage mojo than the Heritage G12M's. Of course as with anything concerning tone

Good for your friend, who was able to get all these conclusions himself.
But MY findings are completely the opposite.
The RI Greenbacks are great speakers, and do have more bass than the Heritage/EVH, but won't stay together when played loud, and are not as tight. And they do not come close to the Heritage/EVH speakers in terms of tone. And I'm telling this because I own them both, and every single time we've tested greenbacks for recording sessions, the clients never, not a single time, chosen the RI greenies. They always choose either the EVH 4x12 or the original 67 with 20w greenies.
Regarding how vintage the Heritage/EVH sound, they were the closest thing I've found to the favorite 4x12 basketweave(which I happen to own) I've heard to date. And I've heard quite a bit of them.
Now, I believe your friends findings. It just happen that I have a different taste.

 

[SBlue]

Didn't want you to think I was starting an argument. I will try the Heritage myself and report back! How long do they take to break in? Avatar said they could do a 15 hour break in for me!
Cool, I might try both, at $130 a piece, I am going to give the Heritage or EVH series a try first!
Keep in mind, I go for rock and hard rock tones.

Not an argument at all richedie.
As an owner of two 5153 4x12 cabs, I do think these are some of the finest speaker/cabs built today. And since I'm a gear whore, I don't have a gear style or music style(that would limit the # of gear I have gas for ). So, we do record most styles of music here in the studio, and I have a few different cabs for the different application. It does include the 67 BW with the original 20w, V30s, Schollz, EVH spks, Fane, Goodmans, EVM 12Ls, Alnico gold, Alnico blue... and everybody, so far, loved tracking with the 5153 cabs loaded with the stock EVH speakers. Some people might not like them at all, and that's ok too. But that does not make them a speaker that can't handle an amp the way our friend said it does.
Try the set when you get a chance. The best match I've found so far was the 5153 head and through the 5153 cab ! Try this 4x12 and let your ears do the findings. If you don't like it, it's Ok too! But at least you played something you do not play everyday, heard something new, made some noise and had some fun!
Cheers!!

 

[richedie]

Cool, I will get either the EVH or Heritage for my Splawn 412, since they are identical. I talked to Celestion and they said most of their pros replace their Greenbacks and V30s or any speakers, almost every year since speakers get worn and tired and can sound flat. I have found I need ro replace speakers about every 5 years or so. But, did you say you had some old Greenbacks in a basket weave cab? How can they still be functional?

I am also ordering Creambacks for my Stone Age 212.

 

[SBlue]

Cool, I will get either the EVH or Heritage for my Splawn 412, since they are identical. I talked to Celestion and they said most of their pros replace their Greenbacks and V30s or any speakers, almost every year since speakers get worn and tired and can sound flat. I have found I need ro replace speakers about every 5 years or so. But, did you say you had some old Greenbacks in a basket weave cab? How can they still be functional?

I am also ordering Creambacks for my Stone Age 212.

I do have an old, and all original marshall 4x12 from early 1967, speakers date from 21st week of '67. They still work great, and the cabinet is one of the best sounding cabs I've heard to date.
Old cab and speakers can sound like nothing else. Some of them were treated well, so they still work and sound great. Some of them don't.

 

[50MkII]

Good for your friend, who was able to get all these conclusions himself.
But MY findings are completely the opposite.
The RI Greenbacks are great speakers, and do have more bass than the Heritage/EVH, but won't stay together when played loud, and are not as tight. And they do not come close to the Heritage/EVH speakers in terms of tone. And I'm telling this because I own them both, and every single time we've tested greenbacks for recording sessions, the clients never, not a single time, chosen the RI greenies. They always choose either the EVH 4x12 or the original 67 with 20w greenies.
Regarding how vintage the Heritage/EVH sound, they were the closest thing I've found to the favorite 4x12 basketweave(which I happen to own) I've heard to date. And I've heard quite a bit of them.
Now, I believe your friends findings. It just happen that I have a different taste.

This.

 

[nitro]

Where on the speaker would check to see "made in england". I had the chance to play the EVH 5150 III cab and it total smoke's great cab. I purchased the cab used it was in new condition.I called EVH(Fender) and I wanted to know when the cab was built.I read them the serial# and they explained to me that its a very early cab it was built in Feb 2007.The cabs didnt get released until July 2007,very interesting.Im glad I tried the cab great punch and clarity.

 

[zewango]

There should be a white sticker on the speaker check for that.

 

[nitro]

I have the back of the cab open and im looking at the speakers and I cant find the white sticker.

 

[zewango]

I just had my cab opened to change from 16 to 4 ohms. Didnt snap any pics.
I found this online, pretty sure the speakers have the same sticker. (only 16 ohms)I bought 4 when they came out to buy without the cab.

 

[nitro]

No cant find any stickers

 

[steve_k]

The Chinese ones are good for about 20-30 minutes... Then you're hungry again...

Now that's funny. Made me ROR (raugh out roud).....

 

[madrigal77]

I just had my cab opened to change from 16 to 4 ohms. Didnt snap any pics.
I found this online, pretty sure the speakers have the same sticker. (only 16 ohms)I bought 4 when they came out to buy without the cab.

Yep, that's like the one I have on mine, except I seem to remember it being 15ohm and it was green with direct terminals. Too lazy to open the cab up and look again though

 

[gtrwun]

Why worry about a sticker? Just enjoy the cabinet brother Nitro! BTW..... I thought the Deliverance was the ultimate VH tone? You said your plugging into a Plexi amp now?

 

[supersonic]

Heritage and EVH Greenbacks VS. Standard issue Greenbacks:

Reissue has bigger lows and is better for hard rock and metal. EVH and Heritage are a little light and thin in the lows and mids.

From a guy I know who had both...
I've owned 4x12 cabs loaded with both the Heritage G12M's and the standard RI Greenbacks and I greatly prefer the standard RI Greenbacks over the more expensive Heritage version in every regard.
I prefer the standard RI Greenbacks because to my ears they have more mids and a stronger low end then the Heritage G12M's. I find that when pushed hard the standard RI's additional midrange really fattens up the tone, and the low end responds in a way that really "feels" great - the low end has some compression and give, yet still has punch and chunk when you attack the strings.
The Heritage G12M's sound good at very low volumes, but they are very inefficient, have less mids, and crunch up real quick when you start to push them a bit. Almost too much to the point where they sound taxed and ragged.
Also, I found the Heritage G12M to be completely lacking in low end punch when you lay into them at higher volumes. Instead of having that cool combination of compression and punch like the standard RI does, the low end on the Heritage G12M compresses and completely disappears - and I hated the fact that those speakers completely neutered the balls of my vintage Marshall amps.
A 4x12 loaded with Heritage G12M's is an EXTREMELY sedate sounding cab in terms of volume and response. I also owned a 2x12 loaded with standard RI Greenbacks and my 2x12 with the standard RI's was louder and punchier than my 4x12 loaded with the Heritage G12M's.
My amps are pre - '73 non master volume Marshalls and I go for those classic Marshall tones of the late 60's & early 70's - and FWIW, I find the standard RI Greenbacks to have more of that vintage mojo than the Heritage G12M's. Of course as with anything concerning tone

I dissagree with this. The RIs' are dark and muddy. The Heritage have a more pronounced midrange.